Why is Mumsnet so GC?

I don't think it's 'the norm' here at all.

Many of us come for the parking threads and other general batshittery. I don't tend to read the trans based threads at all.

Indeed. It's actually labelled the one with all the swearing.

Sorry, fucking swearing.

If they think you're a woman, that's a massive lie!

How can you say you have no interest in lying!!!

Honestly it's unbelievable.

Children suffer horribly when they realise they have been lied to by the adults around them.

Just to make an adult male feel better about their own old-fashioned stereotypes. It's you who is living in the 1960s.

I think some pee just escaped!

Did you post any links @ButterflyHatched?

Imagine LOJ on a banana boat clutching his gender-neutral compass.

DAY - O!
DAY AY AY - O!

Not sure then!

We can fucking swear like a fucking shit sandwich with sodding bollocks on top of we fucking want to.

There is no ‘profanity filtering’ on MN.

Not sure why - it appeared to have instantly hidden for assessment by the mod team at the moment of posting so probably an auto-flag due to language (had a couple of profanities in there while talking about how frustrated I am with social programming I've been observing amongst my own relatives) and I don't want to push the matter while it is under evaluation.

Copilot to the rescue yet again. Who could not be stirred to action by this campaign?

My favourite bit is that the learn more section it produced directs people to the guardian. Imagine LOJ on a banana boat clutching his gender-neutral compass.

@ButterflyHatched one of your posts was auto hidden. What was it?

Won’t anyone think of the poor ‘GC feminists’ lost in a tenderness world clutching our bananas for dear life?

Have you ever heard a more wretched predicament?

😁 Croneofakind did a reworking last year. Alas there were no bananas.

They have many relatives who don't have children. We don't live in 1960 anymore - not having children isn't particularly unusual. I try to tell the truth about anything that comes up, where it is appropriate to do so, and have no interest in lying in this case.

Even more likely to be damaging is the situation where everyone is lying to the child (to make an adult more comfortable) and the child can see that it’s a lie but is absolutely aware that they’re not allowed to say so. They know they have to maintain the lie and modify their behaviour because ‘Auntie’ BH’s feelings are the most important factor in anything.

I was wondering the exact same thing, based on the evidence base around openness about family relationships and assisted conception.

When you listen to adults talking about childhood experiences and traumas some of the stories that stand out are from adults who were lied to about their origins. Those who discovered they were actually adopted, their sister was in reality their mother, their father was not their biological father. In most cases, it was someone in the family / close friendship circle who leaked the truth or the child discovering a birth certificate etc.

We've discovered a lot about the psychological damage done to children by lying about family relations which is why the move has been towards openness and honesty to ensure the wellbeing of children. Suddenly because of an ideology that's based on a lie, that it's possible to change sex, lying to children is being advocated - TWAW or you're a bigot.

How can we expect children to become emotionally healthy adults when their trusted adults openly tell them untruths? It's of course up to parents to decide - it's evident that in the past many parents thought they were doing the right thing & protecting children by hiding the truth. Their intentions were good.

It's sad to see children's emotional wellbeing yet again being compromised by adult demands - especially in the light of all we know about the consequences. It's really not a neutral act to lie to children about family relationships.

Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!

And keep ahold of your banana
For fear the wolves devour your Nana

Everyone has anecdotes.

Strangely the thing about anecdotes is they aren't allowed positive about how sex is being replaced by gender.

But so much has been deliberately silenced and there is a massive fear of not giving the politically correct anecdote...

Theres a kid in the year above DS. Boy.

Girls like him and play with him.

Was able to sit in on the period talk at school. Boys weren't.
Girls felt really unhappy about it. Uncomfortable. They know hes a boy.
They've literally been conditioned by age 9 to withhold their discomfort and be accepting of being second best to a single male and that their feelings dont matter by age 9.

So they don't express how they really feel to school.

They have to parents.

All so this kid can feel included in a lesson thats irrelevant to him at the expense of the girls. The legitimate aim of removing the boys is lost.

The girls won't speak freely or ask certain questions as a result either. It breaks the trust between the kids and school.

But yay cheering for inclusivity!

This is why if you centre the girls and the important of sex over gender the story looks very different. And theres total blindness to the actual impact on the kids involved.

Yeah I'm not sure that lying to children who trust you and who will one day realise the truth and feel betrayed, is the great idea that Butters clearly thinks it is. But 'it suits me, therefore it's the thing to do' is on brand for Butters, so...

Kids do see gender, we unfortunately still live in a very gendered world. So they pick up stupid ideas like 'pink is for girls', 'doctors are men, nurses are women'. Hence the need for gender critical activism, such as let toys be toys and let clothes be clothes.

The tragedy now is too many are being taught that if someone doesn't conform to gender norms that's their problem - they need to change their bodies rather than break those norms.

Neither of them has ever had the slightest hint; we've never needed to mention
it to them because there has been no reason to do so.

Goodness me! I'm surprised such a remarkable case study hasn't been written up and published in a peer-reviewed journal. I'd have thought the professionals responsible for your transition would be falling over themselves to get such a resounding success more widely known. Or has it been published?