Why is Mumsnet so GC?

There's a reason trans activists pushed so hard for "no debate" and so viciously attack anyone who questions their dogma, threatening people's livelihoods and making them a parish in social groups.

It doesn't stand scrutiny.

All - and I mean literally all - of the gender ideologues claims are easily debunked if you look at the evidence.

"Trans kids are at risk of suicide if they don't transition"
"Puberty blockers are reversible"
"Puberty blockers are harmless"
"Some kids are born in the wrong body"
"Social contagion doesn't happen"
"Children have an innate sense of gender identity and know their 'true' gender from an early age"
"Affirmation is the best approach"
"Transition is healthcare"
"Clinicians never rush decisions to transition children"
"Only transphobic parents question their children's desire to transition"

Etc etc.

They're all demonstrably false, and many are the most pernicious emotional blackmail.

Anywhere that allows genuine, open debate, will result in people seeing the emperor is actually stark bollock naked.

Sadly, the places where you can hold an open debate on this topic are far and few between these days, although things are now starting to improve, despite the gender ideologues best attempts to reframe rational enquiry of any kind as transphobic.

The truth will out on this one, it's just a matter of how long it takes

I agree but there are clearly a lot of 'feminists' who are not at all critical of gender. Those feminists claim that prostitution, objectification of women in popular culture and even men winning at women's sports as feminist acts.

I see your point on the language issue. My frustration is the increasing number of reactionary right wingers calling themselves gender critical when they are the opposite.

This

I think Mumsnet is definitely in step with the silent majority. If you look at opinion polls the majority do not agree with trans women in women’s sports. Look at the comments Ripcurl received recently. Also trans women in women’s prisons was part of the downfall of Nicola Sturgeon.

We were chatting about mixed sec toilets this week and for the other women in my office it was a ‘hell no’.

I’d also agree with PP that trans rights are not a big issue for most people. Opinion polls also show this. I think people are much more worried about the cost of living, the dire state of the NHS and all the cut backs the local councils are having to make. One local council up here is stopping all before and after school clubs which will affect young families but disproportionately mothers!

Just to add, I'm realising a lot of my "be kind" wider acquaintances hold very Terfy views without realising it. Lot of people really don't have time to know about all this until it trips them up personally.

"Not forgetting that in terms of women's issues, in all areas of are lives, queer trans ideology is a more active threat than the ongoing ingrained mysogyny."

Queer trans ideology is misogyny...

@EvelynBeatrice
Lots of young girls 10+ wouldn't want transwomen anywhere near them in a open communal school changing room either.

And actually lots of men particularly older men would be horrified at the idea of a transman being in the next hospital bed to them when they are feeling vulnerable and loosing their dignity.

I was a bit like you people can wear what they want but they shouldnt be impacting anyone else.

The whole trans thing undermines why we have single sex spaces in the first place.
Which loo you use or style of clothes you wear isn't what makes you male or female.

Yes, but 'gc' views are what has been protected in law.

Personally I'd say all feminism is 'critical of gender ', that's the whole point as far as I can see!

We live in a patriarchal world and trans rights activism is the patriarchy on steroids. Men use physical and structural advantage to suppress feminist thought and always have.

They can't physically intimate here (it is DELICIOUS how much that must piss some of them off). This space is unique. Men are allowed and yet for once they can't dominate.

They still do try and leverage their privilege to stop us talking though. We're constantly monitored and chaperoned and reported. But I guess MN have just about realised that feminists bring them more revenue than mens rights activists.

Great answers.

Also, women on this site are the ones who are dealing with many of the impacts of the ideological drive of gender identity. It impacts our loved ones, particularly our children. It impacts us.

Of course, despite being told we are the minority, people believing that sex is immutable and that while people who have claimed trans identities need protections from unlawful discrimination, that the rights of women and children also are just as important. And conflicts need equitable solutions. We are the majority.

Of course we are the majority. It was always an absurd refrain being repeated here occasionally that we were the minority. That people sharing our beliefs were dying out.

@EvelynBeatrice awesome comment! This 100x over!!! 👏

I think 99% of people understand it's impossible to change your sex, but many are too woke/scared/ignorant/bullied into not being able to say so out loud.

I know a fair few in real life who toe the woke line (mostly to keep their jobs!) but honestly deep down don't think for a moment humans can change sex!

Good point about mothers above. No man has ever given birth. Only women can be mothers!

Because I don’t know a single woman over the age of 25 who wants to share a hospital ward, prison cell or changing room with a man she doesn’t know, and no woman over 35 who doesn’t feel the same about loos. The last because it is having to leave the door open while you manipulate a toddler and baby in a pram, or a miscarriage or menopausal flooding that illustrate the advantage of safety and privacy in the ladies loo, but also having a supportive stranger of the same sex on hand in emergency.
Because no one sees threats to and protects kids like a mum. Because I don’t know any mum who tells her kid to look for a strange man to help if they’re lost instead of another mum with kids.
Is the issue trans people ( which includes natal born women) which would be outright transphobia? No. The issue is and always is the significant minority of the male sex who pose a danger and threat. Do men really understand the constant almost unconscious risk assessment that women do every day, especially with their kids?
Not just danger either - privacy and dignity. From time immemorial woman and men have kept apart from strangers of the opposite sex when in a state of undress and because on occasion, we need our own sex spaces. My uncle Dave is no threat whatsoever to man nor beast, but I won’t share a changing room with him!

Just because it's anonymous. People can't speak out in real life.

This.
I wasn't TWAW but happy to let them do as they pleased because it didn't affect me (I don't play sport, I probably won't go to prison, and I pretty much never use public toilets!) but then I realised, thanks to MN, it's not just about me. It's about keeping all women safe and equal. Why would I want my daughter growing up in a world where a man can climb all over her rights?

It's a forum of women (mostly) who find other like-minded women to talk to. Its very difficult to discuss matters to do with our biological sex without fear of being harassed, ostracised or verbally abused. That's why I'm here and I hope more women across the age span will join us.

Speaking personally, I had lost interest in feminist theory a long time ago, but I knew there was something very strange going on and I heard this board was just about the only place where you could talk about it. And then when I found it, I saw for myself not only the facts and the arguments but also the lengths our opponents would go to in their attempt to shut us up, so obviously I thought, fuck you, I'm staying.

Because excellent posters articulate simply and clearly why it’s better for women

And more learn and join in, I did

And mnhq (mainly Justine I expect) is brilliant on it and fought off people trying to shut it down

All the other places to talk were shut down by TRA activists.

There is a book that I think covers this - it's called something like The Radicalisation of Mumsnet. I haven't read it but want to!

The women on here have a grip on reality, sadly missing in so many aspects of life at the moment.
Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows the reality but seem to bury their intelligence.
I work in a male dominant environment, they discuss it quite often and utterly baffled by it.

Is lipstick alley still GC @Delphinium20 ?

Apart from most women finding out why women's rights are needed as soon as they become mums, if they haven't already prior to this, It also, and I think this is significant, reads easily. Like an article.

None of the annoying like buttons and up votes etc. you can have a good conversation/ debate and read it clearly.

Also a lot of humour.

There is male there is female, there are people who dress as what is 'socially agreed too' ie women wear dresses/skirts and, men trousers/shorts or chose to dress the opposite, and yes in reality people do wear different items normally

Then there are people who think if they have an operation it turns them into the opposite of what they biologically are

What else is there to say, sex exists gender is made up

Because Mumsnet is the ONLY place online where we are allowed to discuss it.
I don't care how crap the Mumsnet app is, I admire that we have this space.