Why is Mumsnet so GC?

Blimey. I was actually just clarifying what your post meant because there seemed to be some confusion with the terminology. I was doing the very opposite of ‘jumping to conclusions’.

I had genuinely read it that you were not referring to this board and clarified. Notice the (?) at the end of the question. Before I then agreed. And then pointed out that actually MN was very much what many people describe as GC.

Obviously, you have taken my post as a ‘rant’ and that is your prerogative. But it seems an over reaction to me correcting what seemed logical, that you honestly hadn’t seen the polls I referred to.

Serves 12! I thought it said serves 1.2 i assumed it was one portion but you just cut a little bit off for when you fancied a little snack later!

I must make an appointment with the opticians!

<notices that Girl's dog has a touch of fin rot>

<decides to have a scotch pie instead>

Edit to add <doesn't bother with the pickled egg>

I too would vote in favour of women and children's needs but thanks for showing why I avoid the posts - some of you are way too eager to get butt hurt!

And no, 'trans based' posts are not all on the LGBT boards, they show in the trending section, which many of us simply have a little skim through and read what we fancy.

So thanks, but I'll keep swerving those threads, if it means avoiding such 'jump-on', argumentative bollox. You can go ahead and make more assumptions about what I know/don't know, think/don't think based on that if you want to. Have another rant if you feel like it. I won't be back, so knock yourself out.

I disagree. I am more than aware of the basis of radical feminism, but also know that TRAs will just take the ommission of referencing their claims as evidence that they are right.

So I am saying you are wrong.

To not to that is just side stepping the confrontation.

And after all as I am writing about what I think it should reflect what I think.

So will continue to say it so they cant claim I was hiding something.

The entire family is probably walking on eggshells so that they don't upset "Aunty" Butters.

@Girlontherailreplacementbusservice have you been ensuring that your dog has access to proper species-affirming veterinary care?

Because while neither word nor biology are things anyone should expect to use as any kind of reference point, surgery and drugs are a basic right and crucial to ensuring your pet’s continued existence.

Inspired choice of username.

I can promise you won't.

I have many a time eaten an entire cake (that the box laughingly claimed "serves 12") at one sitting, and if anything there's even more of me in existence than ever.

<prepares to deep fry Girl's dog in batter, and serve it up with chips and mushy peas>

<decides to add a pickled egg>

Tbh, I am a female-centred feminist. Unashamedly. FC Feminist. Thinking gender is a hugely harmful concept to be fought against is part of that.

The idea that feminists should be shamed for centring female people is insidious.

I am also all for safeguarding children.

So, to clarify. The deliberately split off sex and gender threads are not the ‘trans based’ threads? I agree. They are discussing prioritising women and children. That is the base. I believe the ‘trans based’ threads are on the LGBT boards.

However, every poll that is run on MN is overwhelmingly supporting women and children’s needs over the demands of some male people. So if that is ‘GC’ then yes, MN is overwhelmingly GC. Thousands and thousands vote in those polls. And usually 90% in favour of women and girls be protected. Have you missed those on AIBU? If you avoid certain threads then maybe you don’t know at all.

I suspect that some people have a very different definition of ‘lying’ than others. And I suspect that it is entirely based on this ideological belief that somehow a male person can be a ‘woman’.

A family deeply entrenched in ideology would not consider it a lie to say ‘but I am a woman’ thus signaling that ideology to all members of the family. I also suspect that some family members who will not subvert their need for describing material reality and so call ‘social programming’ will be a contention in family relationships.

Rebranding == 'women's words stolen and used to mean something very different' - again?
'Gender critical' is now wilfully misrepresented as 'critical of transgender people' rather than 'critical of gender stereotypes'.

If you're referring to my post, as I used the term 'trans based threads', then I have to disagree with you. I don't see GC feminism as 'trans based' at all, I just avoid a lot of the 'trans based' threads on this platform and hence, as was my original point, don't see being GC as 'the norm' on Mumsnet at all, because I think lots of us don't prioritise those threads.

"how frustrated I am with social programming I've been observing amongst my own relatives"

I wonder how they feel about you and your social programming. It's not as if any of us get to escape from society and its effects, and in my experience people who think they've escaped social programming are often the ones who are most biassed by it.

Yeah... what 'decision to rebrand'?
I'm pretty sure no one consulted us before the false teaming started.

I think some of the supposed ‘rebranding’ was actually in response to the whole TERF as a slur thing. So the conversation went: it’s not about excluding trans people; it’s that gender is represssive and regressive bullshit.

But TRAs used GC as a slur and lumped in everyone who disagrees with gender ideology (even though some of them love gender stereotypes) and still people seem to think this all centres around trans people and wanting to eradicate them or something.

Either way the aim is to distort and catastrophise and make trans the centre of everyone’s universe it seems.

'nothing ever comes up and they have no idea'
'i give them information if something comes up'.

Both things cannot be true. Either they have questions or nothing ever comes up.

Axiomatic nonsense yet again.

I believe that the 'rebranding' was all done by extreme trans activists, but I would be very happy to be proven wrong. I believe it was them who started to detach the 'feminist' from Gender Critical in the attempt to wedge in the huge number of groups, who are absolutely not gender critical, to then discredit and shame feminists.

I think there is a clear cause and effect chain here resulting from the decision to rebrand an existing movement as 'gender critical' at a time when discussions about gender and awareness and acceptance of trans people had firmly entered the general public consciousness.

That is partly because of the campaign to split the boards.

🤣

It's quite depressing that 'gender critical feminism' is now seen to be 'trans based threads '. Feminism, and our objection to gender stereotypes being inflicted on women and children has become dominated by issues about males.

Sorry, yes - good point - I also come here because we can swear and I fucking bolloxing like to 😁