Just 5 trans women in women’s jails - Inside Time article

if you don't want to go to prison, don't commit a crime with a prison sentence attached to it.

Or work for the Post Office.

x the number of women those transwomen have access to.

THAT is the figure we should talk about.

Indeed. If those 5 are spread between the 5 largest women's prisons, that's around 2,000 women affected. Even if they are all placed together in the smallest one it's 95 women affected.

I read the article again and think I may have got that wrong. I now read it as this:
March 2022 England and Wales 162 trans identified males in men's prisons and 6 in women's
March 2023 England and Wales 198 and 5
I can't tell which year the 13 grc (but no sex specified) prisoners belong to
March 2023 Scotland 12 in men's and 7 in women's.
My brain is not in the right place for numbers today! Maybe someone more clear headed will come along or chase down the actual report.

Either way, as a previous poster said, it doesn't really measure what the impact on women is.

And begs the question, if in March 2023 there were 210 transwomen in men's prisons, why is there a need for those 12 to be in women's? What difference does the prison service recognise in these two groups of men?

Any number other than zero (and i include in that zero those with a GRC as well) is too high.

There were 13 prisoners with GRCs, but the report did not specify whether they were trans women or trans men.

5 x the number of women those transwomen have access to.

THAT is the figure we should talk about.

But no let’s focus on the men.

As always.

I agree 5 is 5 too many.

Today I was out for lunch and there were two burly blokes in dresses at a table close by. I have no idea if they were transwomen or just blokes who like wearing dresses, but I'd be very unhappy about them being in a loo, changing room or prison with me.

As I've said before on here, if you don't want to go to prison, don't commit a crime with a prison sentence attached to it. It's not something you do accidentally.

Disgraceful neglect of the human rights of the female prisoners.

No woman should be subjected to that.

It's good to get some data.
But the headline is misleading as further in the article is says 6 in England and Wales and 7 in Scotland so I make that 13 men in women's prisons not including any with a GRC.

Unspecified number of TW I mean.

"Trans women who have had their new gender legally recognised with a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) are not included in the figures"

Those 5 don't even have the GRC. There's an unspecified number on top of those 5, who do have a GRC

Concerning how few people there are with GRCs there seems to be a disproportionate number of them in jail.

Yes.

5 men in a women's prison is 5 men too many.

Concerning how few people there are with GRCs there seems to be a disproportionate number of them in jail.

5 too many.
And I'd like to know how many of the 13 were intact men.