Just 5 trans women in women’s jails - Inside Time article

And surely also themselves as they’re talking on behalf of all female prisoners in the female prison estate as a man being “not a problem” 🤨

I know quite a lot of prisoners and have a reasonably decent understanding of prisoner dynamics, especially around uneven power dynamics. I've seen vulnerable prisoners fawn all over an individual with much more perceived power, to try and deflect any potential threat.

I'm not saying that's what happened in your situation. But is it possible that it MIGHT have been?

Pearl clutching!

That's an interesting take!

Thou shalt not speak on behalf of the marginalised.

Shuts down the entire EDI industry in a stroke.

why do you assume I've never been in prison?

Because people that have been to prison or have worked in prison do not waste their time pearl clutching over nonsense like this 😉

Cripes!

why do you assume I've never been in prison?

“Just”

Because it's a women's prison and they shouldn't have to share it with a man regardless of whether he's had his dick chopped off or not and they have a bloody right to know. And prisoners could end up being moved.

No woman should have to be in the female estate with a man. Not one not ever.

Why are you insisting on speaking on behalf of marginalised women? Have they designated you as their spokesperson? Have you even met any prisoners?

Appropriate CHOICE.

Interesting perspective.

CHOICE!

I think you hit the nail on the head there.

Pray do tell, do you have more experience in this area?

Because it's a women's prison and they shouldn't have to share it with a man regardless of whether he's had his dick chopped off or not and they have a bloody right to know. And prisoners could end up being moved.

No woman should have to be in the female estate with a man. Not one not ever.

That shows a worrying lack of understanding of social dynamics, for prison staff.

And did you ask every single woman incarcerated with the man if it was a problem for them?

@Boiledbeetle being as they were happily exchanging hair accessories and make up with them, the non verbal evidence was clear. Why would you ask the whole prison when most prisoners are confined to one floor of one wing so associate with 40 other prisoners at best?

Yes I'm in England.

I stopped working in female estate just shy of 4 years ago.

How long ago was that, RMN? I sit on TG boards in my prison and we've never cleared a TW to go to a female prison, regardless of surgery.

No male prisoner should be in the female estate. There is simply no justification for it.

And did you ask every single woman incarcerated with the man if it was a problem for them?

Also, whose perspective when you say it wasn't a problem? The women who had to shower with a TW in Scotland didn't sound like they shared your rosy view?

Your post is interesting @RMNofTikTok . Can I ask if you worked in England? I live in Scotland and this is an issue which arose after the placement of Isla Bryson in a female prison.

including the staff-many of whom specifically chose to work in a womens prisons because they don't want to have to deal with male inmates...

Very good point. My figures were based on number of inmates, so actual numbers will be considerably higher.

I've worked with a transwoman in a female estate. It really wasn't a problem, she had had bottom surgery and was in prison for a non violent crime, so I think that was an appropriate choice in that instance.

I am very much against transwomen that have committed violent or sexual offences being placed in female estates, and the reality is they are not.

Transmen are never placed in male estates due to the risk to them.

I looked up the report and copied this bit:

"Of the 268 transgender prisoners:
• 48 were in female prisons, 5 self-identified as transgender female, 41 self-identified
as transgender male. The remaining 2 self-identified as non-binary, in a different
way, or did not provide a response.
• 220 were in male prisons, 198 self-identified as transgender female, 0 self-identified
as transgender male. The remaining 22 self-identified as non-binary, in a different
way, or did not provide a response."

Unsurprisingly all the trans identified women (ignoring grc) were in women's prisons.

The reason for no distinguishing data on the people with a grc is legal. It can't be tracked as they have a right to anonymity. Which seems to me to counter the idea that it is simply a piece of paper which gives peace of mind rather than any meaningful change in rights.

Agree this affects every single woman in the female prison a man is housed in-including the staff-many of whom specifically chose to work in a womens prisons because they don't want to have to deal with male inmates...

Over 100 convictions have been overturned already for those wrongly imprisoned wrt the Post Office scandal, some will be women I'm sure. Of course you can also be in prison on remand before being found not guilty.