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Disclosure of non binary pronouns leads to less favourable employer response

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HermioneWeasley · 31/01/2024 21:46

It seems most employers have not embraced the TQ despite their corporate virtue signalling. Recruiting managers are giving the They/Thems a swerve.

https://x.com/caroartc/status/1752729073674027042?s=46&t=ujkdP8xmA6DNFeYFKmnldg

https://x.com/caroartc/status/1752729073674027042?s=46&t=ujkdP8xmA6DNFeYFKmnldg

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Howtheweeshtwaswon · 01/02/2024 00:19

Colour me surprised that potential employers might want to give a hard swerve to reality-denying gender believers who force others to engage in their religious rituals and beliefs.

SabrinaThwaite · 01/02/2024 00:04

This is the abstract of the paper:

Taryn versus Taryn (she/her) versus Taryn (they/them): A Field Experiment on Pronoun Disclosure and Hiring Discrimination

This repository stores current files associated with the above working paper by Taryn Eames, a PhD Candidate in economics at U of T

^Abstract: Thousands of randomly generated, fictitious resumes were submitted to job postings in pairs where the treatment resume contained pronouns listed below the name and the control resume did not. Two treatments were considered: nonbinary "they/them” and binary "he/him” or "she/her” pronouns congruent with implied sex. Results show that disclosing nonbinary pronouns reduces positive employer response by 5.4 to 5.5 percentage points; estimates are statistically significant and robust to the Heckman-Siegelman critique. There is suggestive evidence that discrimination is larger (approximately double) in Republican than Democratic geographies, potentially reflecting attitudinal differences. Applicants with multiple minority identities are doubly disadvantaged: for example, disclosing nonbinary pronouns while applying to a male-dominated occupation as a female reduces positive employer response by 10.9 to 11.8 percentage points relative to males who do not disclose pronouns. By comparison, there is limited evidence that disclosing binary pronouns reduces positive employer response.

TLDR: Employers don’t like employing pronoun people or employing women in male-dominated occupations.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 31/01/2024 23:55

Carolina Arteaga: Disclosing nonbinary pronouns reduces positive employer response by 5.5pp, and this decline is larger in Republican communities. By eames taryn, our brilliant PhD student

There is also a penalty for just disclosing pronouns so: He/him, she/her of around 3.7pp.

Evidence from a large-scale audit study!

And yes, I added my pronouns to my profiles after reading this paper

Disclosure of non binary pronouns leads to less favourable employer response
Disclosure of non binary pronouns leads to less favourable employer response
Tallisker · 31/01/2024 23:46

Screenshots for those of us not on TwiX?

I used to be able to read some things as I have the app, but now I need a log in to read anything.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 31/01/2024 23:43

FatFilledTrottyPuss · 31/01/2024 22:52

I’ve also just googled hemisexual, but I'm no clearer on WTF it is and why any of us should take it seriously 🙄

Who the hell wrote this?

Hemisexual refers to people who experience sexual attraction to one or more genders or sexes, but lack sexual attraction to one or more different genders or sexes. for example, one might be sexually attracted to women, but only experience sensual attraction to men.

What is "sensual attraction" exactly? How is it distinguished from sexual attraction or romantic attraction?

If I take the first sentence alone, then that suggests it's one of the new words used to communicate exclusive same-sex attraction or opposite-sex attraction, only in terms of gender identity.

For example, perhaps you might find yourself attracted to women (female), transmen (female), some maverique gender people (the female ones), agender people (the female ones) but never men.

In old money, a lesbian or a straight man.

SabrinaThwaite · 31/01/2024 23:22

Waitwhat23 · 31/01/2024 22:43

I’m hemisexual but only on Wednesdays

I typed hemisexual into Google, hoping that you were just taking the piss but no, it's a thing....

I thought it was some strange perversion involving American muscle cars?

LaviniasBigBloomers · 31/01/2024 23:06

@SidewaysOtter Lavvy on a Sunday Grin

Waitwhat23 · 31/01/2024 23:00

FatFilledTrottyPuss · 31/01/2024 22:52

I’ve also just googled hemisexual, but I'm no clearer on WTF it is and why any of us should take it seriously 🙄

It's baffling but I think can be condensed quite neatly into 'needs to get a hobby'.

hellsBells246 · 31/01/2024 23:00

Employers want to know that you're qualified to do the job and that you'll do the job without causing them too much grief.

They don't GAF about your sexuality, gender, etc. keep it out of work!!

SidewaysOtter · 31/01/2024 22:59

LaviniasBigBloomers · 31/01/2024 22:49

I had to tell a particularly pronoun-focused group of people once that the reason I both don't use pronouns and have shortened my name into a more gender neutral form is that my industry is NOTORIOUS for paying women less than men. Why would I remind people I was female, so they could pay me less? Didn't go down well but hey, at least the research is proving me right...

I’m intrigued as to whether you shortened your name to “Lav” Grin

Backinthedress · 31/01/2024 22:59

FatFilledTrottyPuss · 31/01/2024 22:52

I’ve also just googled hemisexual, but I'm no clearer on WTF it is and why any of us should take it seriously 🙄

Well the clear meaning is someone who likes to think of themselves as open minded and queer, but if actually faced with the genitalia of someone the same sex as themselves would go a strange shade of green and hastily exit the room.

SidewaysOtter · 31/01/2024 22:57

I didn’t know it was a thing, I thought I’d made up something ridiculous!

FatFilledTrottyPuss · 31/01/2024 22:52

Waitwhat23 · 31/01/2024 22:43

I’m hemisexual but only on Wednesdays

I typed hemisexual into Google, hoping that you were just taking the piss but no, it's a thing....

I’ve also just googled hemisexual, but I'm no clearer on WTF it is and why any of us should take it seriously 🙄

Disclosure of non binary pronouns leads to less favourable employer response
LaviniasBigBloomers · 31/01/2024 22:49

I had to tell a particularly pronoun-focused group of people once that the reason I both don't use pronouns and have shortened my name into a more gender neutral form is that my industry is NOTORIOUS for paying women less than men. Why would I remind people I was female, so they could pay me less? Didn't go down well but hey, at least the research is proving me right...

AnnaKing81 · 31/01/2024 22:45

I'm not surprised either!

If I see it on an email I assume that they're a bit of a tw*t!

Boiledbeetle · 31/01/2024 22:45

Can't think why they'd give them (oh it actually works in this sentence!) a swerve at all!

Waitwhat23 · 31/01/2024 22:43

I’m hemisexual but only on Wednesdays

I typed hemisexual into Google, hoping that you were just taking the piss but no, it's a thing....

SidewaysOtter · 31/01/2024 22:40

IdleAnimations · 31/01/2024 22:36

I shouldn’t relish in this, but I am because it shows that the silent majority cannot be bothered with this madness and see it as a warning of a possibly toxic person.

However, I am also a firm believer in blind CVs for larger corporations to prevent discrimination or unconscious biases. I feel a tad conflicted in many ways because the pronouns on CV prevent you hiring a possible problem, but can also impact those who think they’re just doing something nice. Tricky…

Blind shortlisting would not weed out the “I thought it was a nice thing to do/the recruitment consultant said to put them in” crowd.

But I should imagine that the blue-haired die-hard pronouners/I’m hemisexual but only on Wednesdays brigade are going to make themselves obvious at interview stage.

IdleAnimations · 31/01/2024 22:36

I shouldn’t relish in this, but I am because it shows that the silent majority cannot be bothered with this madness and see it as a warning of a possibly toxic person.

However, I am also a firm believer in blind CVs for larger corporations to prevent discrimination or unconscious biases. I feel a tad conflicted in many ways because the pronouns on CV prevent you hiring a possible problem, but can also impact those who think they’re just doing something nice. Tricky…

AvacadoFieldsForever · 31/01/2024 22:32

Backinthedress · 31/01/2024 21:57

Wait... she added her pronouns after reading this research that showed it biased people against her? Some people. Tchuh.

I think she’s answering her own question there.
A workplace is not just somewhere for an activist to hang out during the day and use the free internet and photo copier to push their own agenda on the captive audience who can’t complain. It’s not a sixth form common room.

hellsBells246 · 31/01/2024 22:22

SidewaysOtter · 31/01/2024 21:50

I’m not surprised either. I should imagine employers see it as a big red flag and a HR nightmare galloping towards them.

Yep!

Waitwhat23 · 31/01/2024 22:11

The whole 'non binary' thing makes me think of the Bluey episode 'Library' where Muffin thinks she can do whatever she wants because her parents have told her that she's 'the most special kid in the whole world'. Her Dad suddenly has an epiphany after seeing her behaviour and has to gently tell her that although she is the most special kid in the whole world to her parents, she's just a normal kid to everyone else.

I don't think that those who claim they are non binary have quite worked that out yet.

Waitwhat23 · 31/01/2024 22:07

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 31/01/2024 22:01

Goodness, I can't imagine why employers might want to swerve attention seeking naval gazers.

Was about to type that almost word for word. Would have also added self obsessed.

Crankywiddershins · 31/01/2024 22:02

@HermioneWeasley good point. I forget the world exists sometimes.

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