Disclosure of non binary pronouns leads to less favourable employer response

Gosh, yes, it's awful how everybody in the world is transphobic, isn't it?

This is entirely unsurprising. There are plenty of transphobic employers out there, who are likely to be against non-binary people.

The same applies to people with "non-English" sounding names.

https://www.kcl.ac.uk/research/the-resume-bias-how-names-and-ethnicity-influence-employment-opportunities

Not surprising as it shows traits which aren't great to have in a team. It's not the being NB per se, it's that it shows an inappropriate level of focus on self rather than work. Unless you're going for a job in NB counselling, why on earth would it be relevant?
It's just too much unnecessary information: I mean why oh why does anyone need the pronoun crap at all? If I'm talking to someone NB, I don't have to use a pronoun - 'I'm making a cuppa; do you want one They?' - ; if I'm talking about someone, I can just use their name + the person isn't even present so how would they be offended?

That's lovely to read.

Genuine diversity and inclusion benefits everyone.

All the genderpish waves a flag that says 'inclusion' on it but in practise it does the exact opposite.

I'll post it, if SinnerBoy is too demure.

Oh, no, that's a BELTER!

A devout Christian doesn't need to put their belief on their CV because generally they don't wear a cross and make you refer to them as atheist.
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Not entirely surprising - I really judge anyone who puts he/him or she/her on emails, LinkedIn, anywhere and as for anyone who put any they/them ze/zer suff down I would be steering well clear.

IcakethereforeIam · Today 12:54

Right! You asked for this

Thanks. I'll refrain from posting a link to Jesus Built my Hotrod...

What thoughtful posts @Poinsettiasarevile, your team are lucky to have you.

I'm working with an enbie at the moment. She/they (her pronouns) is a pleasant, socially awkward and seems very insecure and keen to be liked. This person was not my choice as her application was below standard - but I suspect the identity parlour games actually played in her favour from a diversity perspective and she was given the opportunity. Sadly, as nice as she is, it's obvious she's not as skilled, experienced or competent as the other candidates taken on at the same time.

I'm not sure it's that kind to have put this person in this position.

Ooo string-backed gloves for my automo-love 💕🏎️

Being non binary is not a protected characteristic but, yes I agree. It was one experience and I wouldn’t use it to preempt judgement on another person.

If someone includes their pronouns this might be on the basis of the wider tendency to do sweeping over organisations. However, if someone explicitly stated they were NB this does have wider HR implications eg toilets etc.

Right! You asked for this

There is no legal right to be recognised as non binary in the UK. This has been tested in court.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12974913/amp/Non-binary-American-loses-High-Court-challenge.html

Oh I know, this is how I feel too Magpie!

I'm merely going by what we're "educated" to believe. Trying to make it make sense from the trans ideology POV.

Of course we now know that so many trans people pass and are already quietly working in your team and you've been using their preferred pronouns all along with no issues.

Really?
Trans people that pass in real life are vanishingly rare. If you are all using their preferred pronouns it implies that you've been told they are a trans person which kind of negates the myth that they 'pass'.

We've been taught so many things by the new progressives: you can't tell what's in people's pants, penises and clits are almost identical, intersex is really common etc etc. All this is supposed to unlearn our ability to recognise sex/ prevent us learning it in the first place.

Of course we now know that so many trans people pass and are already quietly working in your team and you've been using their preferred pronouns all along with no issues. And in the future, when everyone understands that only say-so denotes sex, this will be even more common.

Doesn't the non binary identity mess this up a bit? Do the passing trans people who work among us feel pressured to out themselves when an NB joins the team and becomes the de facto trans spokeshuman?

Emotionalsupportviper · Today 11:44

AUTOPHOBE!!!

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It is getting better out there @BumbleShyBee@BumbleShyBee. I wasnt made this way (i used to be really sniffy about working from home for example) , i learned how to be an inclusive manager largely through making mistakes and having to live the pretty painful consequences of those mistakes and having had the pleasure of working with a few key individuals who really showed me the way. I had one amazing team mate who had some pretty profound mental health problems. She had incredible insight and was very open to discussing her challenges. Together we came up with a plan for how to manage when her mental health was bad and it really worked. Working with her gave me so much confidence as a manager, waaaaayyy more than any EDI training or HR policy ever has.

But to have a high performing team that can accommodate a diverse range of needs is a delicate balance. There absolutely needs to be mutual respect, and no one person or groups individual needs can trump that of any other and sometimes individuals just need to accept that their adjustments cannot always be met. This can only happen if there is a good level of trust. If some team mates feel they are made to lie by others, this just evaporates.

There's an air of confirmation bias around either reaction isn't there

Poinsettia, you sound like such a thoughtful manager. Your posts give me hope that my very clever but very socially challenged autistic boy will one day be able to work!

Sorry, here’s the link:

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2024/feb/01/trans-people-england-more-likely-mental-health-condition-study

Being self-obsessed as a non-binary person isn't a bug, it's a feature. I don't think you can call yourself non-binary unless you think you're rather special in that you don't think sex-based stereotypes apply to you. If you think you are special in that, don't see how other people can object to them yet remain the sex that they are, then you're spectacularly unempathetic and narcissistic. Who wants to work with someone like that?

This, in a nutshell.

AUTOPHOBE!!!

The Guardian is reporting that 47% of NBs report mental health problems. I imagine people with a history of mental health issues are less likely to be employed, even setting aside the “I am likely to be a tiresome gender warrior who will take up time that should be spent working) flag that I suspect goes with they/them NB pronouns.