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Dundee Women's Aid seek 'applicants who identify as women' for support role

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ArabellaScott · 31/01/2024 13:08

Recruiting for a Women's Support Domestic Abuse Practitioner:

'Women only need apply under Schedule 9 (Part 1) of the Equality Act 2010. The successful candidate will be required to join the PVG Scheme. Dundee Women’s Aid positively welcomes applications from all applicants who identify as women within all sections of the community particularly those from the LGBT community.'

https://goodmoves.org/vacancy/a4sP10000006TnJIAU/womens-support-domestic-abuse-practitioner

This is gaslighting.

Women's Support Domestic Abuse Practitioner with Dundee Women's Aid – Goodmoves

Purpose of the Post · To work as part of the Women’s Support (WS) team to support and empower women who have experience of domestic abuse. In doing so, providing a quality service that meets legal requirements and DWA standards, policies and...

https://goodmoves.org/vacancy/a4sP10000006TnJIAU/womens-support-domestic-abuse-practitioner

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ArabellaScott · 31/01/2024 16:51

I suppose they could mean 'L or B'. But they don't, do they. They can't mean 'G' because men are precluded from applying. The 'LGBT community' means absolutely anything, from Asexual to Cakegender.

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ArabellaScott · 31/01/2024 16:47

It's also the implied suggestion that they will favour transwomen over women:

' ... positively welcomes applications from all applicants who identify as women within all sections of the community particularly those from the LGBT community'

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Xiaoxiong · 31/01/2024 15:44

This is infuriating.

I saw a definition on a site the other day, which was obviously very very carefully worded:

"Some survivors find they need to know they will only encounter women (women who have lived their whole lives as women or girls) in order to feel safe and understood enough to access services. For this reason, the support line volunteer role is open only to women."

I know this is a circular definition, but at least it's pretty clear what they are trying to achieve. Even someone who believes TWAW will not say that a TW has lived their whole life as a woman.

WhenWereYouUnderMe · 31/01/2024 15:42

They learned nothing from the Period Officer debacle I see.

donquixotedelamancha · 31/01/2024 15:41

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 31/01/2024 15:36

IANAL but from what I understand... according to the EHRC it's illegal discrimination if Dundee Women's Aid advertise the job for women and appoint a transwoman, but also according to the EHRC no-one will do anything about it. If they do apppnt a transwoman then another man could sue for sex discrimination but it's not obvious why any man would bother. Dundee Women's Aid could legally appoint a transman because they advertised for a woman and are not allowed to discriminate against a woman who has reassigned her gender to male.

Fun times to be a lawyer!

That is my reading of the law too. We need a man to apply for it.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 31/01/2024 15:36

IANAL but from what I understand... according to the EHRC it's illegal discrimination if Dundee Women's Aid advertise the job for women and appoint a transwoman, but also according to the EHRC no-one will do anything about it. If they do apppnt a transwoman then another man could sue for sex discrimination but it's not obvious why any man would bother. Dundee Women's Aid could legally appoint a transman because they advertised for a woman and are not allowed to discriminate against a woman who has reassigned her gender to male.

Fun times to be a lawyer!

IcakethereforeIam · 31/01/2024 15:29

Isn't Dundee where, I think, Women Won't Wheesht have been barred from a women's event for no forthcoming reason?

Dundee where the fruitcakes are also nutty.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 31/01/2024 13:32

I don't see how this is lawful.

Schedule 9 (1) allows discrimination against people who do not meet the requirement to be a particular sex.

It doesn't allow discrimination against only some people who do not meet the requirement to be a particular sex.

If it's OK for some men to to the job, then being a woman is not a genuine occupational requirement. And if it is a genuine occupational requirement then the person employed must be a woman. (For some other characteristics there's leeway allowed for whether the employer judges the applicant to meet the criterion or not; for sex that leeway is specifically excluded - they objectively do meet it or don't meet it, rather than the employer choosing where to draw the line.)

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/notes/division/3/16/26

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WarriorN · 31/01/2024 13:09
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