Let's have a poll!

Ah, sorry. Too late to ask 😂

What’s your partner’s position on using male spaces, where Muslim men could reasonably expect to be in a single sex place?

I have concerns about the bringing of ethnic minority needs to the discussion. I’m torn because I wouldn’t want women to be excluded from anywhere because trans women are using those spaces. Equally I am unhappy about religious restrictions on women mixing with men.

I support single sex spaces for safety and dignity, not for religious practice.

You said providing or receiving. Way to ignore the rest of the post though. Top work

It makes more sense that chopping off their bits and pretending to play along with their nonsense.

I'm not disputing that men and women are often treated differently, both at work and elsewhere. My question was when do you think it might be appropriate to treat a man who wants to be a woman as though he actually is a woman?

What sort of events for their acquired sex are you thinking of? Support groups for women going through the menopause? A social group for lesbians? I can't think of any group for women in which it would be appropriate to include a man just because he claims to want to be a woman.

I’ve put other, but I may mean 3.

I want an end to discrimination based on gender. People can wear whatever they like but stick to sex based categories where they exist.

I don’t believe people can ‘acquire’ the other sex.

I do believe mean and women can present however they like.

I don’t believe special provision should be made for people who choose to present in an unusual way.

If Jill wants to wear a sharp suit and a crop, fine. If John wants to wear a dress, ok.

Neither John nor Jill need special treatment and both need to face the consequences of their choices, just as those with pink hair piercings and a tattoo do.

As time goes on the boundaries will shift, bankers will have facial piercings and creatives will have moved on to ‘valuing the integrity of their skin’ and be all pure and milky.

Fashion is just that.

You wrote “I want to see what less vocal posters think” that’s a fact. It’s in your OP. My interpretation of that was that you didn’t want to hear from the more “vocal posters”. You have said that was not your intention. Why do you need more from me?

To engage with the q, some variant of 2 although I echo that a workplace shouldn’t be treating someone as a particular sex unless it is relevant. Not sure what OP has in mind, unless it’s trivial stuff like calling someone Mr or Ms.
Perhaps places with gendered uniforms, but then I think these are ridiculous if it goes beyond ensuring sensible fit for differently sexed bodies.
but 2 covers a vast array of scenarios, some I’d agree with and some disagree with.

They solve the trans problem. And are useful for anyone who needs an opposite sex companion such as a child or person with disabilities. Unisex toilets are great. They just shouldn't have abolished the ladies at the same time.

Third spaces: Treated as their acquired sex in most social and work contexts, use third spaces or treated as birth sex for times where biology is important for safety or dignity (i.e. hospitals, prisons, sports, changing rooms, providing or receiving intimate services like waxing, smear tests)

Maybe the fact that it is 'hard to write' should have given you pause for thought.

To bunch waxing & smear tests together as 'intimate services' is just plain weird. One is a medical screening process.

You still don't really explain what the 'most social and work contexts' are that require people to be treated differently on the basis of their sex. Do you mean toilets in an office building for example? If so do you change your mind if Muslim men & women use those single-sex facilities to wash before praying? Or do you mean that if a man wants to wear a skirt as part of a uniform they should be able to? And let's face it, despite saying 'trans people' you mean transwomen.

Well if someone genuinely believes they are the opposite sex, then I think they should be treated with psychotherapy to address their mental health problem, in the same way we treat people who believe they are aliens or Napolean or a secret royal etc etc.

I’m not misrepresenting you. I am saying how I have read your comment. You have put a connotation on to my comment just as I have on yours. You want to see what less vocal members think. I have put the connotation on your post that you don’t want the vocal members to comment or participate in your poll.

Just have to point out that this is the internet 😂

What do mixed sex toilets solve?

I voted 3 even though I support 3rd spaces in many contexts but not to the detriment of disability access or female equality and safety.

Couldn't vote 2 because of what you said about work and social.

Firstly, often when people claim to treat trans people as their acquired sex they don't. They just mean they perform pronouns. In reality, men get pandered to and women overlooked. Same old.

Secondly I can't equate 3rd spaces with "treating the same at work". My opinion coloured by the fact I work with children and this would be a safeguarding issue AND the fact I've experienced maternity discrimination.