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If Labour Get In... Light-hearted

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WhatIsThisFuckWittery · 30/01/2024 11:44

If Labour gets in can we game the system?

Many of us have responsibilities towards children, ageing parents and vulnerable members of society we might work with. Like the "oxygen mask on an aeroplane" analogy, we can't do all this if we ourselves are fucked.

So. Can we mass identify as non binary because:

a) a bunch of adult women all doing it together will cause any remaining street cred the identity has left to plummet
b) gender identity will have become stealth mandatory and very few feminists identify with the regressive stereotypes of "cis woman". NB feels like much less of a lie.
c) misogyny isn't a hate crime (because obviously these cis women feel great about being treated as second class citizens) but as we're NB all crimes against us going forward are aggravated hate crimes.
d) anyone doubting the sincerity of our new id is referred to point c).
e) access to HRT in middle age will be expedited
f) more clout with employers discriminating against us for being so silly as to bear kids.

DISCLAIMER: I'm a socialist, this is not about Conservative Vs Labour discussion.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/02/2024 10:07

I like the idea of wearing the NB identity lightly and carrying on being my reasonable delightful self , only using the newly acquired powers when forced to.

That's the thing, NB identity requires no change or effort whatsoever.

WhatIsThisFuckWittery · 01/02/2024 09:36

The thing about the current fashion for expressing a non binary identity seems to be exerting a high degree of authoritarian control and narcissism.

I don't see why that has to be the case. I find it odd that trans allies feel they can't challenge that behaviour, like they actually think it's inherent to being non binary? Isn't that kind of insulting?

I like the idea of wearing the NB identity lightly and carrying on being my reasonable delightful self , only using the newly acquired powers when forced to.

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anyolddinosaur · 01/02/2024 08:08

Actually I've changed my mind - I'm going to be gender fluid so all those who have fawned over Eddie Izzard will also have to fawn over me. I want to be male for pay purposes, female for health with a bit of cat gender when I feel lazy.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/01/2024 23:07

Apparently, turns out that some animals are more equal than others, and TRSOH don't really believe their own mantra of "everybody is whatever they say they are"

They don't have to believe it, but they'd still hate the association Grin

Kucinghitam · 31/01/2024 23:04

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/01/2024 18:09

If a mass of middle aged women identified as non binary, I maintain it would quickly kill it stone dead. It's just a fashion for most of the young people who affect a "non binary" identity. You've got to be able to deadpan it though.

I dunno.

I was previously on another forum where we Wrong-Side-of-History lot were discussing how (if we did subscribe to gender ideology) we were all so obviously non binary. Some of us jokingly suggested we should come out.

The Right-Side-of-History lot were completely incensed by this discussion.

Apparently, turns out that some animals are more equal than others, and TRSOH don't really believe their own mantra of "everybody is whatever they say they are" Hmm

Lottapianos · 31/01/2024 12:14

Cross post @aname1234 😁👍

Lottapianos · 31/01/2024 12:14

'If a mass of middle aged women identified as non binary, I maintain it would quickly kill it stone dead'

Absolutely. It would quickly become the most uncool, embarrassing thing ever. If teenagers 'come out' as non binary, the best response from parents would be 'oh darling! Me too! How lovely - we can celebrating being non binary together!' 😁 That would nip all of the 'identifying' bollocks in the bud

aname1234 · 31/01/2024 12:09

So next time a teenager/young adult comes along all high and mighty "this is my pro-noun" etc, we just say, "Oh how lovely dear! I'm queer too!" 😂😂😂

aname1234 · 31/01/2024 12:06

I think instead of NB, maybe go with queer. Cos it means pretty much anything. Straight but don't have sex as shown in porn videos? You're queer!

IWilloBeACervix · 31/01/2024 11:40

If I need to go into hospital overnight after Labour get in, then I’m definitely going to declare a trans identity. You’ll get a private room.

WhatIsThisFuckWittery · 31/01/2024 10:07

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/01/2024 23:35

Why not game the system now?

Because it's important to me that I live with integrity. I dislike lying.

So I will only claim the most accurate of all the available gender IDs when it becomes apparent that I have to have a gender ID.

So not really gaming the system, just going along with the system. Only it's a system that hinges on the massive assumption that most women identify with women gender and are cool with all the opression. An inherently misogynist system.

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Crankywiddershins · 31/01/2024 06:49

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 30/01/2024 22:58

This would be funny, except that there is already a lawyer who does this in real (‘real’) life.

you wouldn’t get away with it though, because you are the wrong SEX

The wrong sex? Don't be ridiculous, sex is irrelevant! Forget sex! Just look at her shiny gender identity!

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/01/2024 23:35

Why not game the system now?

OchonAgusOchonOh · 30/01/2024 23:34

Forget NB. Agender is the way to go.

I was told, in a really "gotcha" tone that I'm actually trans and my gender identity is agender as I think gender and gender identity are a heap of shite and don't believe I have have a gender identity.

Fallingirl · 30/01/2024 23:34

Like so many other women, I’ve been trying unsuccessfully for years to get treatment for chronic debilitating pain. Since Starmer’s latest speech I am genuinely considering identifying as trans. Any trans. I don't care which identity, I just want my gp surgery to know that from now on they are being transphobic if they fob me off with a patronising head tilt. I take priority now; Starmer said so.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 30/01/2024 22:58

Boiledbeetle · 30/01/2024 20:56

I'm going for the double trans option so on Monday I'm me, Tuesday I'm a man and then on Wednesday I'm a man who's transitioned to be a woman. So my pronouns will still be she her, unless you speak to me on Tuesday, but I might stay home that day until the next transformation has happened.

So if anyone has a go on Thursday I'll be doubly protected as I'm a transwoman who was once a transman

This would be funny, except that there is already a lawyer who does this in real (‘real’) life.

you wouldn’t get away with it though, because you are the wrong SEX

Boiledbeetle · 30/01/2024 22:56

Crankywiddershins · 30/01/2024 22:50

Although on reflection I might retrans and identify as a cranky old woman who curses men under her breath (just). That's stunning and brave, right?

Well the treats are better, chocolate and alcohol rather than dreamies and flea tablets

Crankywiddershins · 30/01/2024 22:50

Although on reflection I might retrans and identify as a cranky old woman who curses men under her breath (just). That's stunning and brave, right?

JanesLittleGirl · 30/01/2024 22:48

Crankywiddershins · 30/01/2024 22:42

He was doing Stirling work for the cause today.

Yeah, bless him and all the little sons of DadJoke. A self-made autopeaker.

Crankywiddershins · 30/01/2024 22:48

@Boiledbeetle meow! X

Boiledbeetle · 30/01/2024 22:47

Crankywiddershins · 30/01/2024 22:27

If we all HAVE to pick a gender I'm cat gender and you're literal Nazis if you say I'm not. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to my litter box.

Strokes @Crankywiddershins head. You're such a beautiful girl aren't you. Yes you are! Oi! get your bum out of my face will you you little shit!

Crankywiddershins · 30/01/2024 22:42

JanesLittleGirl · 30/01/2024 22:40

Leave DadJoke alone. He needs some time to work out a new line of attack since he got burned on about 5 threads in the space of 60 minutes.

He was doing Stirling work for the cause today.

JanesLittleGirl · 30/01/2024 22:40

Crankywiddershins · 30/01/2024 22:30

And why has nobody come along to demand, cajole or beg us to vote labour yet? Is dad joke having his crack waxed?

Leave DadJoke alone. He needs some time to work out a new line of attack since he got burned on about 5 threads in the space of 60 minutes.

Crankywiddershins · 30/01/2024 22:30

And why has nobody come along to demand, cajole or beg us to vote labour yet? Is dad joke having his crack waxed?

Crankywiddershins · 30/01/2024 22:27

If we all HAVE to pick a gender I'm cat gender and you're literal Nazis if you say I'm not. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to my litter box.