Starmer: "trans-inclusive" conversion therapy ban, "modernise" the GRA, all hate crime to be aggravated offences as part of making every child "proud and confident"

Surely you’ve noticed other countries follow this genderism and only recently has the U.K. started to turn

It probably won’t last with Labour but if you are aware you’ll see who is challenging what

Come off it. You cannot seriously believe that the Conservatives will do the cause of feminism any favours. They've had 14 years to sort this out, after all.

<catches up on thread>

<collapses in despair>

Misogyny seems to be so baked into the Labour party that its biggest advocate - the one who takes party criticism so personally that she expects to be challenged on the definition of woman - is justifying a classic act of male intimidation and aggression against women because that woman was right-wing.

Every Fucking Time we have to take threads through elementary feminist theory.

If women's right to be free from male violence is contingent on our political and religious beliefs, then it's not a right. It is explicitly conditional.

It's being implied that some men (eg, MPs, members of a party that has a tendency to self-righteousness) have the right to physically intimidate women whose views they find objectionable and unpleasant or perhaps immoral. MPs are part of the British governing class. They're there through democratic public election, after privately satisfying a political party that they held the same social and economic values, but nevertheless part of the governing class.

So men of a particular governing class, tied together by shared values, feeling entitled to discipline women for moral transgressions. Within whatever contexts might we see similar behaviour? Patriarchal religion, perhaps? Historical punishing of heretics?

It actually makes it worse that Miriam Cates is also part of the governing class, on the opposite parliamentary benches. If he feels entitled to treat her that way, how could he treat a mere female member of the public?

Winnading My local councillor was similarly intransigent when she doorstepped me.

Ah, you see, the Righteous posters just know that you were always an anti-Good-Party person all along, you were never a potential Good Party voter, etc.

Right, I have just come in from my doorstep where I was talking to a wannabe labour councillor. She stated twaw. I had my say but was never going to change her mind in a few minutes.

Sooooo nope, not gonna vote labour.
And now they cant say "no one ever brings it up on the doorstep"

You don't post like you think it’s a discussion. You post like you see it as an opportunity to scold and be rude about anyone who has a different opinion to you.

Adam, I'm a member of the Labour Party, despite what I currently think I still pay my dues. It is possible to support the Labour Party in Principe but be absolutely appalled at the way they are currently behaving.

Exactly.

This thread is about Labour. Your want to discuss the issue with Conservative MPs start a thread on that.

Textbook. Whataboutery then attack. Why is it so hard to just admit that Labour has a problem with women?

I've also looked Andrew Rossindale up. The Tory whip has asked him not to attend Parliament.
so neither men have the support of the Conservative Party , unlike the Labour misogynists who blithely carry on in the high ranks of the party.

Boiledbeetle · Today 12:12

But... What did the head of the Labour Party the wonderful KS do about LRMs despicable behaviour? Considering a good many people complained?

Starmer told him he'd been a very naughty boy and to make a mealy-mouthed, self-serving non apology, to make it appear that the Labour Party don't tolerate that sort of thing.

Crispin Blunt no longer had the Tory whip he is an independent now.
The Reigate and Banstead conservative prospective candidate Rebecca Paul is openly Gender Critical and support women's rights. I asked her about it in the doorstep a couple of weeks ago.
I told her she's got my vote.

Rosie Duffields disciplinary was public knowledge

Do feminists go on about women being objectionable when looking at male aggression?

Seems highly incongruent

It is. About Labour and Keir Starmer. Not whataboutery about other parties.

I agree that Labour women do have a huge blind spot where party loyalty is concerned. They will put up with sexist crap that Tory women would throw a fit over in some ways.

However, we are talking about a party of 400,000 members. Plenty might not want to rock the boat before the next general election, BUT if they win power what then? Remember too TRAs inside the party are totally willing to wreck it to get their own way.

The gender wars in Labour are ONLY going to get worse. Look at the activities of Labour students. Are they going to be campaigning for Rosie in the election or try to destroy her? Again. Is Starmer going to let the TRAs gamble that no-one inside the party will sue them for sexism ever. Or that the Tories won't use it as a weapon. Or will he stamp on them hard despite not wanting too.

So keep watching this space.

Plus there is always the possibility of people outside Labour suing the party or Labour councils for sexism. It is already happening in Westminster.

It’s more an issue when people say I get why a male is aggressive

Just because a woman has a view

Most people can see it’s a poor argument

Male aggression isn’t understandable due to ‘objectionable’ women

Ah OK gotcha. This thread is for anti- Labour posters. I misunderstood and thought it wS a discussion

Unfathomable from the outside, invisible from the inside. I think you have to walk away before you can see it - I did anyway.

@AdamRyan no one is saying that the Tory MPs behaviour is good but that’s not what this thread is about. Stop trying to distract, we’re not idiots. It’s not doing you any favours.

@AdamRyan yes it was communicated.

I don’t care if a male finds a woman ‘objectionable’

There’s enough excuses for men already without looking for more

Nice bit of whataboutery there. This thread is about Starmer and Labour. Why would we mention MPs of different parties when discussing those?

None of us are banging a drum saying how amazing the Tories are in relation to VAWG, where you are about Starmer, whose actions appear to contradict the high opinion you have of him.

Start a thread about obnoxious Tory MPs and we can then join in.