Starmer: "trans-inclusive" conversion therapy ban, "modernise" the GRA, all hate crime to be aggravated offences as part of making every child "proud and confident"

will work with all the organisations in this room tonight
Who are the groups in the room that Labour will work with?
I bet there were no groups representing women.
That's my vote decided then. I'm holding my nose and voting Tory.

How can you vote for a man who doesn't understand safeguarding. What kind of leader would that make him. Is he thick?

If Starmer starts a rock band, he would be a fool not to use "The invertebrate and the merry band of pandering shitwits". as a name.

Nicely put.

I cannot see what policies Labour have or are likely to effect if they get power that will make it worth while selling women's rights and children's safeguarding down the river.

Yep.

I can't even begin to imagine the money that must be being poured into the evil cult.

Everywhere is captured. People who know much better are pretending to eleven that human beings can change sex - and are pushing this agenda to the detriment of women, of children, and ultimately of society itself.

Is it just big Pharma? Surely there must be something/ someone even more insidious who is invested in this?

I don't know who I'll be voting for but it won't be this invertebrate and his merry band of pandering shitwits.

I wish there was a Women's party to vote for.

If only WEP had lived up to its name and were not wholly captured, eh.

Him

Well that's it. Labour really doesn't give a damn about Women's voices do they.
And he has the absolute gall to say that it's the conservatives who started a culture war.
Mind you, I think it demonstrated a severe lack of intelligence to have Kate Osbourne in the picture with gim

I think I'm going to have to vote Tory for the first time in my life. I never thought it would come to this. I think the Communist Party are sound on Women's rights/trans issues and if there is a local candidate I might vote for them. Will have to check their policy first though. I wish there was a Women's party to vote for.

I cannot see what policies Labour have or are likely to effect if they get power that will make it worth while selling women's rights and children's safeguarding down the river.

Okay well my maths go ... 51% of population are women. Then add in the children affected (all of them as even those who are not trans will have to be very careful what they can say and in the educational setting they will be taught gender woo as rightthink). Then consider any 18+ males with mental health problems that they may think those can be solved by surgery, So who is not negatively affected? Oh, adult males who are healthy (who may form a subset of this). Its the powerful minority isn't it?

Can you recommend a party to me, then?

Greens and LibDems are a captured, woke, wash-out and there isn't anyone else to take Labour on. I swear to God that if the Monster Raving Looney party put up candidates, they's sound sensible in comparison and win by a landslide.

You need to address your pleas to Starmer.
"Please don't force women and responsible adults to vote Tory. Please speak out about Cass, child safeguarding, women's rights because at the moment women think you're a danger to women and children".

Sorry but I will be voting Tory. This issue is all important to me and to my children's futures. You do you, as they say...

Wes streeting seems to be hinting at third spaces in this interview from yesterday

There's a pattern emerging where Wes Streeting says stuff that's vaguely sensible, it gets a positive response, and then other Labour politicians caveat what Streeting said to dilute the sense. It happened last week over a statement about the NHS.

Please don't vote Tory because of this single (extremely important) issue. I know it affects over 50% of us detrimentally, but Tory policy affects even more of us detrimentally - all but the very wealthy.

Somebody send the link in the OP to Kemi Badenoch.

Labour are in such a mess on this because they are regurgitating sound bites rather than engaging.

Wes streeting seems to be hinting at third spaces in this interview from yesterday https://twitter.com/SkyPoliticsHub/status/1752059704233124087

So if wes thinks third spaces are the answer, what in practical terms is the point of a GRC and why go to the effort of 'modernising the process'

Exactly...

Wow.
So if my 10 year says he wants to be a girl, and I send him to counselling about gender dysphoria and explain he cannot be a girl, then I am potentially going to have an aggravated crime against me as well as being charged with a conversion therapy crime....

misogyny is not a hate crime

I'm actually glad it isn't, because the odds are that TRAs would find a way to weaponise it against women.

I'd put money on the first court case being brought by TW.

But no mention of overturning the 2021 verdict that misogyny cannot be classified as a hate crime because (I'm paraphrasing here, but barely) it is so widespread that it would be too difficult to police and make an effective law?

This from Gov.uk:
The Law Commission concluded in its ‘Hate Crime Laws: Final Report (PDF, 3.2MB)’ (published 7 December 2021) that making misogyny a hate crime may be: “more harmful than helpful, both to victims of violence against women and girls, and also to efforts to tackle hate crime more broadly” and that “…we have reached the view that hate crime recognition would not be an effective solution to the very real problem of violence, abuse and harassment of women and girls in England and Wales, and may in fact be counterproductive in some respects.”

So... it is possible to strengthen the law against hate crime derived from racial and sexual and gender orientation prejudice but women, it really wouldn't help you at all to have hate crime against you outlawed. No, no, ladies. Just shut up, smile and cope.

I can't help wondering if the paragraph I quote above is saying in effect: we can't make misogyny a hate crime because then we'd have to charge self-ID'd misogynistic transwomen who abuse access to female spaces and we can't upset them because instinctively we like to side with penis-havers, since we in power have penises ourselves and think people with penises have inherently more worth than people with wombs.

Home is the UK in 'home and abroad', but as it comes right after the child mention, my first thought was the SNP's proposal of people reporting 'hateful' comments around the dinner table.

I had the same initial reaction - that he was going to introduce the legislation that didn't happen in Scotland, that would have silenced any dinner conversation forever, and then reconsidered how "home" was being used.

So all of us that said that Labour couldn't be trusted on women's rights were right then? Colour me shocked!

And it is shocking. Labour can't be immune to the impact that this ideology has had on women. They must KNOW what has happened in recent Employment Tribunals and how women have been treated, even in rape crisis centres.

They can fuck right off if they think they will get my vote.

Such a disappointment.