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Starmer: "trans-inclusive" conversion therapy ban, "modernise" the GRA, all hate crime to be aggravated offences as part of making every child "proud and confident"

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ResisterRex · 30/01/2024 10:26

Exclusive in Diva, following a reception at a LGBT+ Labour event in Parliament on 29 Jan:

https://diva-magazine.com/2024/01/29/exclusive-keir-starmer-lgbtqia-rights/

"“We’ll strengthen the law, so every category of hate crime is treated as an aggravated offence,” Starmer said. “We’ll cut NHS waiting lists for LGBT+ people waiting for urgent physical and mental health care. We’ll modernise the Gender Recognition Act. We’ll implement a full, trans-inclusive, ban on all forms of conversion therapy. We fully support the view that conversion therapy is psychologically damaging abuse.”

“We are committed to a decade of national renewal and will work with all the organisations in this room tonight so every child can feel proud and confident in who they are, to stand up for LGBT+ rights at home and abroad and to get Britain’s future back.”

The mention of children is unclear but must have a background to the full speech? LGBT Labour hasn't tweeted about it but others have. Rayner and Dodds also in attendance.

https://x.com/djrm94/status/1752057964767101041?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

https://x.com/stevenatkins/status/1752256944843162016?s=46&t=WHoOZZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

x.com/anuox/status/1752094930074325420?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

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HelenFisksBrownSuit · 30/01/2024 19:16

Tory it is, then.

SerotinaPickeler · 30/01/2024 19:13

Sorry bold fail EmotionalSupportViper !

SerotinaPickeler · 30/01/2024 19:12

*Last few votes I've cast I've deliberately spoiled with "Respect my sex" etc.

This time it won't just be one less for Labour, it will be one more for the Tories (so effectively 2 less for Labour)*

This is important. A canvasser for the Labour Party doorstepped us over the weekend. She was unmoved by my explanation as to why I won't vote for Labour. All she wanted to know is "would I vote Tory instead?"

It does seem that Labour are worried that enough of us unspeakables could damage their working majority if we transfer our (protest) vote to the Tories instead of wasting it. So perhaps we should make it clear to their monitors that it will be when, not if.

DeeLusional · 30/01/2024 18:52

DeeLusional · 30/01/2024 12:14

If you say to him "Are you sure?" you will be charged with administering conversion therapy.

Due to some MN emails complaining about my posts, I must clarify that saying "Are you sure" will probably not, at this time get you charged with administering conversion therapy", this was what is known as "exaggeration to make a point".

ResisterRex · 30/01/2024 18:51

mumda · 30/01/2024 18:26

Should people send the link to this thread to their labour councillors and MPs?

Or are we seen as a blip against the nonsense?

You could send them the Diva link and ask them to tell you in plain English, what Labour's policies will be.

  • will Labour bring in the affirmation model for gender-questioning children?
  • will parents have their children removed if they urge watchful waiting?
  • will anyone who questions the affirmation model, be subject to a hate crime prosecution?
  • tell me which parts of the GRA you will modernise, how and why. Who else have you ascertained such modernisation will impact?

And so on...

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redfacebigdisgrace · 30/01/2024 18:46

He’s such a weasel. I knew he couldn’t be trusted.

Emotionalsupportviper · 30/01/2024 18:30

mumda · 30/01/2024 18:26

Should people send the link to this thread to their labour councillors and MPs?

Or are we seen as a blip against the nonsense?

They think we won't go through with it.

Little do they know that when children are at risk, or the safety of other women is threatened, most women will throw themselves into the fray without a thought for personal safety.

We'll do it.

Last few votes I've cast I've deliberately spoiled with "Respect my sex" etc.

This time it won't just be one less for Labour, it will be one more for the Tories (so effectively 2 less for Labour)

EasternStandard · 30/01/2024 18:29

mumda · 30/01/2024 18:26

Should people send the link to this thread to their labour councillors and MPs?

Or are we seen as a blip against the nonsense?

Labour can’t see this stuff it doesn’t register

JanesLittleGirl · 30/01/2024 18:28

mumda · 30/01/2024 18:26

Should people send the link to this thread to their labour councillors and MPs?

Or are we seen as a blip against the nonsense?

There's no point. Everybody who is on TRSOH knows that there are only 6 of us and a bunch of sock puppets.

mumda · 30/01/2024 18:26

Should people send the link to this thread to their labour councillors and MPs?

Or are we seen as a blip against the nonsense?

Emotionalsupportviper · 30/01/2024 18:20

FigRollsAlly · 30/01/2024 16:49

The woman/cervix thing wasn’t just Starmer saying “well, legally some men can have a cervix, it’s what we lawyers call a legal fiction” he said it was “something that shouldn’t be said” and looked acutely uncomfortable, as if someone had just used really bad language or said something racist.

looked acutely uncomfortable, as if someone had just used really bad language or said something racist.

Or stated the truth.

Emotionalsupportviper · 30/01/2024 18:17

Hepwo · 30/01/2024 12:49

It's nonsense isn't it?
Will I just have to announce that I'm bisexual to get seen sooner for urgent treatment?

I can be a gay man if that's quicker?

That won't work - they only use the G, L and B for clout - the real "Golden Ones" are that must vulnerable and marginalised group in the world - the
TQQIP2SA (Transgender, Queer, Questioning, Intersex, Pansexual, Two-Spirited, and Asexual). There are many more - 150+ at the last count I read of.

Who knows - there may even be a "greased weasel" gender for Mr S!

SidewaysOtter · 30/01/2024 17:46

Flowers4me · 30/01/2024 16:52

I'm not voting to spite anyone; I'm exercising my democratic right to vote whoever I chose and whoever I feel is best suited to fight for my rights and that of my daughters. Labour are fools; if they feel empowered to say this pre-election can you imagine the stuff they'll come out with if they get in power. No way am I risking a vote on a women-hating party.

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Quite. DadJoke has yet again stomped in to give us his manly opinion on why we wims are wrong Hmm

79redballoons · 30/01/2024 17:45

I was really hoping to vote labour next time but I just can't vote for this

EwwSprouts · 30/01/2024 17:25

Anothenamechange · 30/01/2024 14:50

Found it: this what you get when you follow the money. Absolutely ducking terrifying and this is why you will
never read or hear the word 'woman' in any context in America any more, medical, social or otherwise.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/billionaire-family-pushing-synthetic-sex-identities-ssi-pritzkers

Both at WEF Davos to discuss energy. Be interesting to know if they had a chat.
Pritzker https://www.illinois.gov/news/press-release.25908.html
Starmer https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/uk-news/2023/01/19/keir-starmer-tells-davos-uk-will-lead-global-clean-power-alliance-if-he-becomes-pm/

WallaceinAnderland · 30/01/2024 17:19

But bodies are sexed not gendered.

Exactly. Your sex is what you are born with and can't be changed.

SinnerBoy · 30/01/2024 17:14

Hepwo · Today 17:09

What's Starmer going to do about that? Start flying teenagers to Thailand to be made into ldybys at taxpayers expense?

Please! Don't be giving the deranged idiot any ideas.

DerekFaker · 30/01/2024 17:11

WallaceinAnderland · 30/01/2024 17:09

Because they are having surgical intervention to make the outer body appear to resemble the gender they identify as.

They are not changing sex because, well, that's not possible. So they remain the sex they were when they were born with a slightly modified body.

But bodies are sexed not gendered.

We are constantly being told that sex and gender are different and that women can have penises.

WallaceinAnderland · 30/01/2024 17:09

DerekFaker · 30/01/2024 16:18

(Why is it referred to as gender confirmation surgery of sex and gender aren't the same thing?)

Because they are having surgical intervention to make the outer body appear to resemble the gender they identify as.

They are not changing sex because, well, that's not possible. So they remain the sex they were when they were born with a slightly modified body.

Hepwo · 30/01/2024 17:09

Thankfully the main reason for the low number of surgeries taking place is the lack of clinicians willing to do it in this country.

You can't force them to do it.

The T seem to forget this in their long list of grievances.

What's Starmer going to do about that? Start flying teenagers to Thailand to be made into ladyboys at taxpayers expense?

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 30/01/2024 16:56

Arseholes. I admit I was wavering, but there's no way I'm voting for them after that.

Curtainscoper · 30/01/2024 16:56

Thanks @FigRollsAlly I’d not realised that. I so want him not to be crap, as he looks so very likely to be the next prime minister.

bellinisurge · 30/01/2024 16:56

Hilarious thing in all this is that the looney troons won't trust him either.
Fuckwit

LondonLass91 · 30/01/2024 16:55

Anothenamechange · 30/01/2024 14:50

Found it: this what you get when you follow the money. Absolutely ducking terrifying and this is why you will
never read or hear the word 'woman' in any context in America any more, medical, social or otherwise.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/billionaire-family-pushing-synthetic-sex-identities-ssi-pritzkers

Fucking hell that's scary..

Flowers4me · 30/01/2024 16:52

I'm not voting to spite anyone; I'm exercising my democratic right to vote whoever I chose and whoever I feel is best suited to fight for my rights and that of my daughters. Labour are fools; if they feel empowered to say this pre-election can you imagine the stuff they'll come out with if they get in power. No way am I risking a vote on a women-hating party.

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