Starmer: "trans-inclusive" conversion therapy ban, "modernise" the GRA, all hate crime to be aggravated offences as part of making every child "proud and confident"

In the speech Starmer said Labour would work with all the organisations in the toom. That's his commitment.

Doesn't even speak to Rosie Duffield or the Women's Declaration, stands are not available at the party conference, never mind thrre being a commitment to work with women's rights groups.

We know which side he's picked.

There is a very strong correlation between depression in teenagers and struggling with sexuality, plus the link between autism and gender questioning in girls.

I might have missed it but I haven't seen starmer once raise concerns about the massive increase in girls with autism IDing as trans. So I don't think for one second his concern is around that. Though I would be thrilled to be proved wrong.

Oh Kier. We could be on the brink of WW3 and you’re still looking for deckchairs to move around.

A haiku for today:

Keir can’t be trusted,
We are all disappointed,
But none are surprised.

She’ll get a lot of press coverage, I should imagine.

Who knows, but we will get to watch him squirm! A LOT

Don't they all.

Hey... That squirrel identifies as Billy Bragg!

I looked into this, this isn't really news though. Kemi Badenoch explained it quite clearly, no one wants any kind of conversion therapy, even for trans people despite what I read on here (I'd hope) But it has to be approached in a nuanced way so any therapist can help any distressed or confused person work out their true feelings without being threatened with arrest for attempted conversion therapy. Which is why it was left out of the Kings Speech.

I do feel that if Kemi is involved, she will protect the best interests of women and girls. Unlike David 'Dinosaurs' Lammy or Lisa 'TWAW' Nandy. God, they terrify me. It's just the complete obduracy-they are clearly both bright people. So how on earth can they square their public statements with what they must know in their heart of hearts to be reality? And they surely don't need to, that Labour landslide will surely happen despite their gender views which are likely to alienate far more worried mums than endear them to Gen Z? So why not grow a fucking backbone and speak what we all know to be true?

If Standing for Women do manage to put Kellie-Kay Keen on the ballot papers for Holborn and St Pancras (Keir Starmer’s seat) what difference do we think it will make?

There is only one thing that I don't believe from Labour and that is anything that they say.

Yep.

I was wondering when a squirrel playing a banjo was going to turn up, lol.

What does he mean by cutting waiting lists for LGBT people (let's be honest he means T)
I wouldn't be sure about that. There is a very strong correlation between depression in teenagers and struggling with sexuality, plus the link between autism and gender questioning in girls. At the moment it is nigh on impossible to get mental health support for teenagers/young people so he could be referring to that (given his comments about wanting all children to be proud to be themselves).

It is possible to see a narrative that he wants to provide support gender questioning children so they don't transition unnecessarily and instead grow up to be confident, gay adults.

It's weak as piss, Labour. Everyone can see how little conviction you have. Which means nobody trusts you.

Come out clearly one way or the other, or lose everyone. Nobody wil vote for the Dither Party.

There is only one thing that I don't believe from Labour and that is anything that they say. They are trying to elevate strategic ambiguity into an art form. They are now so averse to enunciating a clear policy that they have scrapped the Clear Desk Policy.

Fine, but I just can't imagine this man as PM. Who knows what his policies are if he changes them according to audience?

Fukuraptor

That's the problem though isn't it, we all have to speculate and fill in the gaps because Labour's position is so unclear

What does he mean by cutting waiting lists for LGBT people (let's be honest he means T)
What does he mean when he talks about conversation therapy
What does he mean by single sex

And it goes on....... we shouldn't have to double guess what the leader of the opposition means, especially if he wants our votes.

By all means give it a try.

Will mention thst back in 2017/18/19,
I regularly emailed various labour bods with different issues I thought of or found here and the farms.

Not one single reply. I gave up and I ain't trying again.
Still if you do email and one day all this comes to a shuddering stop, you and I can hold up our hands when labour inevitably say 'we didnt know, no one told us of the issues'

I'm not sure that this bit means what people are fearing:

"We’ll cut NHS waiting lists for LGBT+ people waiting for urgent physical and mental health care"

I totally understand why people are interpreting it with the worst possible meaning given the worrying statements around it.

But I think this isn't a prioritising T+ or LGB above everyone else. I think he's just saying 'We're going to cut NHS waiting lists for everyone waiting for urgent physical and mental health care which will benefit [mail merge error] people (special interest group the people in front of him care about).'

Not saying it makes up for the rest of what he's said or blaming folk up thread for thinking he said something else totally batshit, but I do think this is the most likely situation.

Hmm. Do the Conservatives"listen to peoples concerns" when they trial new ways of distributing benefits that result in people dying? Or when they carry put a budget against advice, that hikes interest rates and puts people into poverty? Or when they go for the hardest possible brexit, that puts people put of business? Or when they cut budgets to councils, hospitals, social services, so that people can't get help and die as a result?

Or do they "listen to people's concerns" when there is political hay to be made at no risk of actually having to do anything?

Culture wars or caring government? Who can tell.

You have an excellent point.

Yep you're right.

I have no doubt, that they're still sane and not desperate to destroy women's equality, rights and child safeguarding is the one card they still hold.

But they have at least realised that the bill is a trojan horse mess, and sat on it and kicked it around the long grass when any other party would have galloped it through. Right now I have the choice of a government who are madly and enthusiastically insane, or a government who are dragging feet a bit on their path to insanity.

Someone give me a sane left party to vote for and I'll be there. With enthusiasm. But until that day, I will have to settle for the least dangerous of a bunch of absolute dregs.