Starmer: "trans-inclusive" conversion therapy ban, "modernise" the GRA, all hate crime to be aggravated offences as part of making every child "proud and confident"

Either men are allowed women's rights and spaces or they're not.

There's no compromise. There's no third sex.

Yup.

..trans lobby groups appear (at least in public) to be giving Labour a suspiciously easy time over dropping self ID

Well if Labour's "modernising the GRA" means giving out GRC's to anyone who asks, plus adding "non-binary" etc to the official identities available, they'll be getting sel ID.

What progress have the Tories made in "restoring womens rights" in the 13 years they have been in power? I'll be honest, I can't think of any. All they've done is given back things they took away. Trans women in womens prison and on womens wards happened on their watch.

Just vote Tory. Thatcher is dead

I half wish she wasn't't.

Say what you like about her - and I still hate her with every fibre of my being - she'd have kicked this gender sh1te in its collective bollox.

I'm not sure if I'm missing something but the only thing here that I haven't seen Labour say before is the bit about cutting waiting lists for LGBT+. Nothing else is new so it's not like they've done another about turn.

What I do take from it is that 1) They think they can get away with riding two horses into the election.
2) There's not a cat in hell's chance that they'll ever acknowledge the problems the GRA has led to - they're proud of it.
And 3) that trans lobby groups appear (at least in public) to be giving Labour a suspiciously easy time over dropping self ID - it's almost as if they've realised it won't make any real difference.

In a democracy most people don't get what they want. They get an approximation and a compromise. Or even the complete opposite, if they are in the minority.

To he fait, Diva is hardly widely read

he's taking a good compromise line.

I don't want a "good compromise line" - I want a very definite, "Tranwomen are men, and will be recorded as such officially, and treated as such by the law" and "We will not condone telling children thatchy can change sex" and "BIOLOGY IS REAL", line.

Anything else can't be trusted.

Erm, how do you think we know about it?

I really hope that the press get hold of this.

Which is why he absolutely cannot be trusted and why I can't vote for him.

ResisterRex · Yesterday 21:10

"Sir Keir Starmer has vowed to outlaw all forms of conversion therapy if Labour wins the election. The Labour leader said his ban would be “trans inclusive”, meaning it would ban attempts to change someone’s gender identity as well as their sexuality through conversion therapy.

It there, unequivocally and it means exactly what we understand, doesn't it? Despite some posters thinking it doesn't mean that he wants to put the TQ++++++++ agenda front and centre.

Honestly I think Starmer is desperate to win

And will say anything to do so

Depending on the room he inhabits at the time

There is the possibility Labour don't want to win.

Lots of enormous problems with the NHS, potentially very difficult situation developing with Russia, economy still struggling.

Labour may like to promise that just ending austerity would fix all that but is it feasible? Are they going to raise taxes? How is Starmer likely to shape up dealing with Putin? For that matter, how is Sunak?

It would be interesting to see a coalition government. Most interesting would be a Labour Tory coalition tbh. 😊

'Transing' a child who would otherwise grow up to be a healthy gay adult is the most homophobic conversion therapy imaginable. Tavistock staff used to joke that they were 'transing away the gay'. There is going to be a huge reckoning over this. It's a medical and legal scandal.

Just vote Tory. Thatcher is dead, it's not the 1980's.

In most areas voting anything other than Labour or Conservative is a wasted vote at best, and a vote for the wrong side at worst.

The Tories have made quite a lot of progress in restoring women's rights so far, all other groups have committed to destroying them.

Brilliantly said.

It's the way you guys tell 'em! 😄

I couldn't hate this more. I'm in the North West, there's no way in hell I'd vote Tory. Women like me are very worried about this and cannot vote Labour anymore because of it. We're politically lost, with no party to vote for. I'll have to hope for a GC independent.

You're right. I should.

She has explained that if she is an official candidate she will have the right to be interviewed on all the main TV and radio channels. She will be able to put questions to all the other official candidates. She will be able to raise awareness and, in particular, put KS on the spot.

It’s mind boggling, almost as if he wanted the Tories to win: „It’s going too well for Labour, let’s alienate some people.“ 🤦‍♀️

Kemi Badenoch explained it quite clearly, no one wants any kind of conversion therapy
So why is it acceptable when Kemi says it but anti-women when Starmer says it? 🤔

Starmer is a massive disappointment. I think Rosie Duffield should take the Labour party to court for creating a hostile and bullying work environment. I'd crowdfund for that.