Starmer: "trans-inclusive" conversion therapy ban, "modernise" the GRA, all hate crime to be aggravated offences as part of making every child "proud and confident"

If Starmer's lips are moving he's lying.

So Adam, you assume that people want to believe that labour are 'just as bad' to justify voting for the tories. Well believe what you like, but for me its clear the labour party are not properly listening to women and if they won't listen and understand the issues we face, then I will go elsewhere (undecided at the moment). Women's rights are a big deal for me - I've witnessed the affects on women when their rights are trodden on and I've had enough of the shit that women are supposed to put up with. Labour need to get real and understand the barriers women face because until they do, they have no chance of winning my vote.

Thank you for that reminder Floisme. It is just another reason that posters have been rightfully suspicious of the seeming change of mind that never quite rang true and that it is was all linguistic obfuscation. Trying to convince as many people as possible that the party is 'for them'.

Well Adam, if you don't think saying one thing to appease the TRAs and saying another to appease women who want Labour to put women and children first makes the leader of the opposition party untrustworthy on this issue then that's up to you.

I don't think labour = good and worthy and virtuous.

I think the current bunch Conservatives are venal liars, as has been proven in numerous legal judgements, inquiries and investigations. There appears to be a culture of lying.

I think lots of people want to believe Labour/Starmer are "just as bad" so they can feel reassured in doing what they want to, e.g. voting for a bunch of venal, self serving liars because they are the right wing option.

I haven't seen any evidence at all of Starmer lying. So I personally don't understand this refrain that he's not trustworthy but the Conservatives are

@AdamRyan Judge politicians by actions, not words. Kemi has been instrumental in getting out school's guidance, Kier wont even speak to women. Not really interested in whether she is plotting to be the next leader of her party, I'm not a tory party member,

Yep

FFS Adam, if Kemi becomes PM it won't be to piss Labour off.

The fact that it will be an embarrassment to Labour is 100% down to THEIR failings.

Adam, but I think “ committed ensuring women have single-sex spaces, and not harming children” counts as doing something. I concede it’s a low bar, but apparently one Kier isn’t prepared to rise to

But in the meantime you will vote for a party who is being unequivocal about what it feels about women.

I actually believe Kemi on this, why would she lie about it?

What IS unbelievable is that Starmer , a human rights lawyer no less, has seen the adverse affects that Labour enacted laws have had on vulnerable women and couldn't care less about vulnerable women. I don't care that you think that Labour = good and worthy and virtuous. They have lost my trust.

The fact that I can't abide some of the Tory policies either shows how we, as a society but particularly women, are being failed by party politics.

Yes, because the point of government is to piss off the opposition.
Heaven forbid they actually did something for the benefit of the people in the country. Its all about who's big dog.

Kemi saying she's not a plotter, while being a member of a group about plotting and allegedly actually plotting shows she's not reliable.

My issue is the constant characterisation of Conservative MPs as trustworthy and "standing up for women", despite all the mountains of evidence that there is a culture of lying in the party and over 13 years they have pursued numerous policies that have actively harmed women. I think its a calculated move to use this board to exaggerate a wedge issue to the benefit of the Conservative party.

People can vote for who they want but they need to be informed and this "at least the Conservatives know what a woman is!!@!" posting is not an accurate reflection of what's actually being pursued.

When the Conservatives have an agreed policy, or even better an item in the King's speech, about protecting women's rights I'll pay attention. At the moment they are all talk, no action and they have the majority to take whatever action they wanted.

Its being reported everywhere cher amd she hasn't denied it

I can see Michael Gove's point (not words I ever expected to write). Having a black female Prime Minister who is committed to ensuring women have single sex spaces and not harming children would really piss the Labour Party off, it would make their failures to protect women and children from gender ideology even more visible, wouldn't it?

God i hope so

i may need to start that one…

I want to know why Kemi being 'allegedly' plotting to oust Sunak means that she's not doing the right thing by women? Quite bizarre.

Edited for major typo!

‘Evil plotters’ made me laugh

Does ‘Lottery winners’ work in same way

Yup.

Also, this We’ll cut NHS waiting lists for LGBT+ people waiting for urgent physical and mental health care is basically saying if you are a lesbian or gay man or bisexual you will get prioritised for NHS health care. I know that is not what he means, but I can't rate a politician who speaks so inaccurately.

I was in a WhatsApp group called secret squirrels

i am not a squirrel

Who the fuck knows, innocenteyeballs? Words don't seem to mean anything much at all to the Labour high head yins.

and I’m assuming when Labour talk about conversion therapy, they take the stonewall definition ie only gender affirming therapy is allowed - no discussion or exploration of why someone maybe believe they are the opposite sex

And I see it's not going too well on Twitter for Dodds. This is what happens when you try and ride two horses at once.

'A pleasure to join@Keir_Starmer
and@LGBTLabour
to mark LGBT+ History Month. While Tory politicians descend into the gutter, Labour is steadfast in our support for LGBT+ people. Together we'll ban conversion therapy, strengthen hate crime laws and tackle health inequalities.'

Dodds, an hour ago on X.