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Starmer: "trans-inclusive" conversion therapy ban, "modernise" the GRA, all hate crime to be aggravated offences as part of making every child "proud and confident"

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ResisterRex · 30/01/2024 10:26

Exclusive in Diva, following a reception at a LGBT+ Labour event in Parliament on 29 Jan:

https://diva-magazine.com/2024/01/29/exclusive-keir-starmer-lgbtqia-rights/

"“We’ll strengthen the law, so every category of hate crime is treated as an aggravated offence,” Starmer said. “We’ll cut NHS waiting lists for LGBT+ people waiting for urgent physical and mental health care. We’ll modernise the Gender Recognition Act. We’ll implement a full, trans-inclusive, ban on all forms of conversion therapy. We fully support the view that conversion therapy is psychologically damaging abuse.”

“We are committed to a decade of national renewal and will work with all the organisations in this room tonight so every child can feel proud and confident in who they are, to stand up for LGBT+ rights at home and abroad and to get Britain’s future back.”

The mention of children is unclear but must have a background to the full speech? LGBT Labour hasn't tweeted about it but others have. Rayner and Dodds also in attendance.

https://x.com/djrm94/status/1752057964767101041?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

https://x.com/stevenatkins/status/1752256944843162016?s=46&t=WHoOZZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

x.com/anuox/status/1752094930074325420?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

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AdamRyan · 01/02/2024 17:09

ifIwerenotanandroid · 01/02/2024 17:05

He can do & say what he likes. The electorate can then judge him on that. Personally, I have judged him on it, & I have found him wanting.

Here's the Shadow Women & Equalities Secretary on twitter/X on 31 Jan saying

'A pleasure to join @Keir_Starmer and @LGBTLabour to mark LGBT+ History Month.

While Tory politicians descend into the gutter, Labour is steadfast in our support for LGBT+ people.

Together we'll ban conversion therapy, strengthen hate crime laws and tackle health inequalities.'

https://twitter.com/AnnelieseDodds/status/1752662455791075823

I've judged her, too.

While Tory politicians descend into the gutter, Labour is steadfast in our support for LGBT+ people.

Together we'll ban conversion therapy, strengthen hate crime laws and tackle health inequalities.'

Honestly that all seems eminently sensible? Are you arguing to allow conversion therapy, weaken hate crime law and promote health inequality for LGBT people?

ifIwerenotanandroid · 01/02/2024 17:07

That is very sensitive content, NWPD! Have a care.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 01/02/2024 17:06

duc748 · 01/02/2024 17:05

You've harangued people for long enough on this thread (and others) telling them how to vote, Adam. Will you ever stop? You can see it's not going to change minds.

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Starmer: "trans-inclusive" conversion therapy ban, "modernise" the GRA, all hate crime to be aggravated offences as part of making every child "proud and confident"
EasternStandard · 01/02/2024 17:05

I’ve had enough of some people I wouldn’t call them expert though

The opposite I’d say

With their healthy dose of gender ideology pushing. I wouldn’t miss that at all. Would love it if they could vamoose

duc748 · 01/02/2024 17:05

You've harangued people for long enough on this thread (and others) telling them how to vote, Adam. Will you ever stop? You can see it's not going to change minds.

ifIwerenotanandroid · 01/02/2024 17:05

AdamRyan · 01/02/2024 16:54

It's a report about a speech he gave at ab LGBT+ Labour event.
Do you think he shouldn't attend those events? Or he should go and tell attendees why they are wrong?

What would you expect Sunak to do at an LGBT+ Conservatives event? He got the support of the first UK trans MP, Jamie Wallis, in the leadership contest. Do you think he got that by telling Wallis "a man is a man and a woman is a woman" as he did in his conference speech?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/16/jamie-wallis-accuses-fellow-tory-mps-of-exploiting-trans-issues-during-contest-for-pm

He can do & say what he likes. The electorate can then judge him on that. Personally, I have judged him on it, & I have found him wanting.

Here's the Shadow Women & Equalities Secretary on twitter/X on 31 Jan saying

'A pleasure to join @Keir_Starmer and @LGBTLabour to mark LGBT+ History Month.

While Tory politicians descend into the gutter, Labour is steadfast in our support for LGBT+ people.

Together we'll ban conversion therapy, strengthen hate crime laws and tackle health inequalities.'

https://twitter.com/AnnelieseDodds/status/1752662455791075823

I've judged her, too.

https://twitter.com/AnnelieseDodds/status/1752662455791075823

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/02/2024 17:04

There are six of us, all in separate constituencies, and our socks can't vote.

Speak for your own socks, mine can!

AdamRyan · 01/02/2024 17:03

Had quite enough of experts, eh eastern? If the Tories are a disaster, it'll be Labour's fault for treating the voters like they are stupid.

I'm voting Tory. At least they know what a woman is. Much better than voting for a party with a plan to half violence against women and girls. Because some of those women might have penises so the plan is meaningless.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 01/02/2024 17:02

There are six of us, all in separate constituencies, and our socks can't vote.

There aren't enough of us to influence an election!

EasternStandard · 01/02/2024 17:00

Labour have shown their take on gender

We are informed enough to make our own decisions

AdamRyan · 01/02/2024 16:59

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 01/02/2024 16:55

I've been told Labour will win anyway, so why do the six women and our socks on FWR need to abase ourselves by voting Labour?

Because its like Brexit, voting as a protest might result in the Tories unexpectedly winning and voters regretting their actions when we get another 5 years of them.

Only vote Tory if you want a Tory government. I don't care how anyone votes, but I do care about the consequences for women if people are voting on the basis of misinformation.

duc748 · 01/02/2024 16:58

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/02/2024 16:57

Well, quite. No-one believes these days it's the Boss Class Party v the Workers Party.

I think you're overestimating the analysis of some posters.

Heh! maybe a little.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/02/2024 16:57

Well, quite. No-one believes these days it's the Boss Class Party v the Workers Party.

I think you're overestimating the analysis of some posters.

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 01/02/2024 16:55

I've been told Labour will win anyway, so why do the six women and our socks on FWR need to abase ourselves by voting Labour?

duc748 · 01/02/2024 16:55

Well, quite. No-one believes these days it's the Boss Class Party v the Workers Party. If it ever was. Nowadays they're both Boss Class parties. Scrabbling for the votes of the upwardly-mobile.

[that was to Frood]

AdamRyan · 01/02/2024 16:54

ifIwerenotanandroid · 01/02/2024 16:45

It's one thing not to RTFT, quite another not to RTOP before posting.

It's a report about a speech he gave at ab LGBT+ Labour event.
Do you think he shouldn't attend those events? Or he should go and tell attendees why they are wrong?

What would you expect Sunak to do at an LGBT+ Conservatives event? He got the support of the first UK trans MP, Jamie Wallis, in the leadership contest. Do you think he got that by telling Wallis "a man is a man and a woman is a woman" as he did in his conference speech?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/16/jamie-wallis-accuses-fellow-tory-mps-of-exploiting-trans-issues-during-contest-for-pm

Jamie Wallis accuses fellow Tory MPs of exploiting trans issues during contest for PM

Trans MP says senior Tories sought ‘cheap political points’ and tells Liz Truss to resign for bringing them into government

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/16/jamie-wallis-accuses-fellow-tory-mps-of-exploiting-trans-issues-during-contest-for-pm

Froodwithatowel · 01/02/2024 16:50

If the left are determined to abandon child safeguarding, women's rights, cultural and religious tolerance yada yada to the right, then its no good then stamping their feet and shouting 'you're smelly' when people vote right.

People are voting for the policies and the values. Not the tribal team. Particularly one that is relying on the marketing and memory of decades long ago but has in fact abandoned the policies and values that built that fan base.

EasternStandard · 01/02/2024 16:50

MrGHardy · 01/02/2024 13:44

I am so sick of hearing 'the right' is lost in a culture war for votes when the 'the left' is blatantly pushing this for votes.

We wouldn’t even be here discussing it without the GRA

Only half the media are not TRA / pro men

It’s pretty easy to follow it back to who created this mess

AdamRyan · 01/02/2024 16:45

Ha! I see your clever trap! Only "vote tory, at least they know what a woman is" is the acceptable answer!

I'm an intelligent woman. Why do you get to dictate to me that there's only one answer to PPs question?

ifIwerenotanandroid · 01/02/2024 16:45

AdamRyan · 01/02/2024 16:29

Eh? The only people going on about trans issues are the Tories. Just watch Sunaks conference speech (and various others).

You are funny Grin

It's one thing not to RTFT, quite another not to RTOP before posting.

WaterHound · 01/02/2024 16:37

Again dictating to intelligent women how they should vote to get the result YOU want.

AdamRyan · 01/02/2024 16:33

DrBlackbird · 01/02/2024 14:32

This for me.

Totally politically homeless and doubt there’s any independent running in my area. Never would I have ever ever thought I’d even remotely vote Tory in my life. But I am contemplating it for the first time. But for this damaging madness, I’d be voting Greens.

It wouldn’t have been hard to have said from the beginning, of course we’ll support you, look to provide third spaces, campaign to protect you from discrimination, but no you can’t change sex and we’re going to ensure sex-based right are also protected. What would’ve been so controversial about that? But once the genie escapes, impossible to put back.

Vote Green anyway, the Tories have no concrete plan to do anything and Greens won't get in so no risk of their TWAW nonsense being enacted?
Unless you genuinely would rather have another 5 years of the absolute shit show we are currently in, in which case knock yourself out and vote tory. At least then when women continue to be pushed into poverty, not be able to get justice when they are raped etc we can say "I made it so we can say those woman definitely don't have penises"

EasternStandard · 01/02/2024 16:31

lol at Starmer not being neck deep in gender stuff

All this stuff linked is scotch mist I take it

AdamRyan · 01/02/2024 16:29

MrGHardy · 01/02/2024 13:44

I am so sick of hearing 'the right' is lost in a culture war for votes when the 'the left' is blatantly pushing this for votes.

Eh? The only people going on about trans issues are the Tories. Just watch Sunaks conference speech (and various others).

You are funny Grin