Starmer: "trans-inclusive" conversion therapy ban, "modernise" the GRA, all hate crime to be aggravated offences as part of making every child "proud and confident"

He talks to TRAs but otherwise it’s ’no one is talking about it’ when it comes to women

So he’s pretty shit really. Like many others, Lammy and co

Ignoring women is no great thing

Dearie me. That's quite some DARVO. He barely talks about it (unlike the Tories)

We are talking about the leader of Labour making 0.01% of the population a major priority to appear as if he is progressive and fighting for social justice.

And here you are claiming only the Tories talk about it. And somehow I am the funny one.

I think TRA land is as relevant to the real world as MRA land or flat-earther land so I'm not sure why you want me to consider what they think? They've blown it, the horse has bolted with Isla Bryson and Karen White, nothing is happening because TRAs say so.

Anything other than affirmation is views as conversion therapy in TRA land. You keep ignoring this fact.

How does that work then? It says "to or from" trans. Therapists and parents can equally be convicted for child says I'm trans, BANG they are transitioned

I think they are suggesting what anyone sane would, which is that therapy with gender questioning people should only be done by qualified practitioners (so no church based nonsense) and should take a neutral approach based on patient needs (not pro or anti trans in this case).

It seems to be bordering on a conspiracy theory to suggest this is an elaborate trojan horse being used by Labour for the aim of transing children without their parents consent.

I see no indications Labour are planning to do anything differently; I think they are proposing to implement a policy the Tories have dilly dallyed on.

I think, for once, you're right! 😃Except I'd probably say, kicked into the long grass, rather than dilly-dallied. As long as that 'guidance' continues to bracket the T+ with the LGB, there's going to be a problem.

Touché!

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"The government is of the view that talking conversion therapies will have the intention of changing a person’s sexual orientation or changing them to or from being transgender. These are the therapies we want to capture."

Yep, that's exactly what we feared. A 12 yo says "I am Trans". OF COURSE parents don't want that (well the sane ones don't) parents or Therapist says "Are you sure? Let's talk about this" BANG! That's Conversion Therapy, Parents and therapists convicted.

A couple of extracts from Joan Smith's latest on this very topic:

'How will a Labour government handle the conflict between women’s rights and the demands of trans activists? Optimists believe that the party has rowed back from an extreme position on gender ideology, but gender-critical women’s organisations and even some of his own MPs struggle to get a meeting with Sir Keir Starmer.

'Together we’ll ban conversion therapy, strengthen hate crime laws and tackle health inequalities,” Dodds posted excitedly on X. Banning “trans conversion therapy” has become an article of faith for leading Labour figures, even though they are strangely reluctant to tell us what exactly it is and how often it is happening. They have been warned repeatedly that a ban risks criminalising parents and counsellors who take a cautious approach to children expressing unhappiness with their sex, but they don’t listen.

I always keep an eye on Joan Smith - steadfastly loyal to Labour for so long, now barely gives them the time of day.

Full article here - I don't think it's paywalled but I have an account that lets me read a limited number of pieces a month so apologies if it is.
https://unherd.com/thepost/keir-starmer-bows-to-trans-activists-over-conversion-therapy/

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Well now I feel nostalgic, for those far off days of 2010 when Labour politicians –seemingly at any rate?– had an ethos of public service.

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Do I need to repeat the posts I've already made here?

What are these Labour policies that will change things hugely anyway

So far a bit of a poke at private school parents and that’s it. Headline grabbing nonsense

Hardly worth throwing in the towel to genderism over

Just picked this off another thread. Let's go! Noone knew what a woman was in 2010! Why have they missed that off?

And it's Tory policy 😂

It's hardly "galloping" to implement something promised several years ago. 😂

I wonder why they have dilly dallied? And why Labour would gallop that through?

Because it looks a lot like there are enough people in the tories pointing out the great big huge issues with it, including the voices from the LGB groups, and the leadership are in a state of 'shit, this is a trojan horse to cause years of disaster isn't it? It will be another fuck up like the GRA. If we try to take out the TQ bit the lobby will scream and the PR will suck, so its safest in the long grass'.

Here's the information about what the Government consulted on

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/banning-conversion-therapy/banning-conversion-therapy

I see no indications Labour are planning to do anything differently; I think they are proposing to implement a policy the Tories have dilly dallyed on.

I dont know why you get so frazzled about these threads.

You know a labour government is far more likely than a tory one, so what does it matter if some people talk negatively about one labour policy?

Unless you think labour are watching these threads and may change their stance on womens rights?

Edit: i dont know why i quoted that post of yours, but never mind, the observation still stands.

DEFINE Conversion Therapy. Seriously, tell us EXACTLY what you would ban under the Conversion Therapy umbrella.

Give the Greens the chance of influence after they have done in Scotland? Gender self ID was the Greens demand for supporting the SNP's government. No effing way!!!!!!

🎵 What can I say, except you're welcome?🎵

That will do extremely well, child. You have delighted us long enough. Let the other young ladies have time to exhibit.

It’s always cheering when Starmer’s face graces a thread

I can see why it had a content filter ;