Starmer: "trans-inclusive" conversion therapy ban, "modernise" the GRA, all hate crime to be aggravated offences as part of making every child "proud and confident"

Sooooo hows that insulting us into voting labour going for you?

Your time might be better spent insulting the labour party into defining a woman in a way we are all happy to vote for them.

Put really simply as you seem unable to understand (I'm being kind here, we all know you dont want to understand)
Labour just have to define "woman" the same way we do, be certain that men of any identity do not get to join in that "woman" definition and we will all be happy.

I cant make this any simpler.

So your point is essentially trickle down economics, repurposed for sex and gender? 'Doesn't matter if the Labour party say men can be women, their policies for women-meaning-women-and-some-men will still end up benefitting women so don't worry about the terminology'?

No Thank You.

I admit I skimmed the post but this stuff is bonkers

An attempt to insult but wrong

Anyway. God forbid one points out people's illogical position. It makes them feel "stupid" and then it's not their fault if they cause untold damage by voting how they like, like a petulant toddler.

Toddlers can't vote.

because "they know what a woman is".

This is Labour aligned gender phrasing

I’d never frame women’s sex based rights in such a dismissive way.

You’re baffled because you think the phrase covers the issue

Once again - why do you assume that non Labour voters will automatically vote Conservative? Why do you refuse to listen when Left leaning women tell you this over and over?

I understand why it matters, I'm baffled as to why it matters SO MUCH people will vote for the party that got us into this situation and has no policies to get us out, because "they know what a woman is".

Anyway. God forbid one points out people's illogical position. It makes them feel "stupid" and then it's not their fault if they cause untold damage by voting how they like, like a petulant toddler.

Vote Conservative! That'll show Labour and who cares about all the women who are raped, murdered and in poverty that we could have avoided! It's Labour's fault, not the Tories. We know what we are voting for and fuck those women. They lost, get over it!

Honestly. The world is going to hell in a handbasket due to a complete unwillingness for people to do anything other than have exactly what they want.

@AdamRyan insulting the electorate always works.
just shows what you think of women standing up for their rights to name themselves.

Blimey.

Labour's finest at it again today.

and round we go, some males have female on their birth certificate and passports.

Has Starmer confirmed that these males are excluded from that definition?

No you wouldn’t stop me posting, but all the Labour links aren’t doing much either.

If you do want to understand why it matters to women read what they write on here. There’s enough there.

You don’t need to be ‘baffled’

Right back at you. There's a fair few posters around saying why it matters to them that the Conservatives will damage women, doesn't stop you posting now does it?

Thanks for letting us know

Do you read to understand or just post to campaign

Because there are a fair few posters saying why it matters to them on FWR

Plus....Starmer says a woman is an adult female.
It's just so much hot air from the Tories to claim they are "the only party who knows what a woman is"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/07/26/keir-starmer-woman-is-adult-female-labour-hardens-stance/#:~:text=A%20woman%20is%20%E2%80%9Can%20adult,Party's%20hardened%20stance%20on%20gender.

Exactly! So why is it people's number one voting issue? It genuinely baffles me!

I know.
My point is personally I take a party with policies that will protect women, more seriously than a party that state the obvious and then use biological reality to shaft us.

plus it’s not exactly the work of quantum physics to define ‘woman’ is it? it’s the definition it’s always been “adult human female”

Go and read the post I was replying to, and my reply in that context. I was demonstrating that a definition of the word "woman" is not a necessary precondition for a policy to protect women as defined by biological sex.

I would not use the term "cervix havers" , "pregnant people" or "people with a penis" in real life. I would use man or woman. I was doing it to make a point. However instead it just set the 5 year old in you all off. "Don't call me a person with a vagina! It's offensive!"

1. I'm not calling anyone a person with a vagina
2. having a vagina is not in itself offensive, unless you hate women. Women have vaginas. We aren't barbies.

OK, well I take it if I wrote the same thing using the words "woman" and "man" you wouldn't jump me with "but what does that meeeeaaan if you can't define woman?"
😴

Well yes, that's what we are asking your beloved Labour Party to fix.

We don't want anyone to have to reduce women to body parts.

Quite!! Plus the risk assessment carried out is only about the possible risk to the man rather than to the women.

you can’t write a policy about anything if you can’t first define very clearly who or what that policy is about

Implementation of a policy to convict rapists will protect women regardless of if they are called snurgles, if the definition of woman includes males or anything else.

Not if the rapist is housed in a women's prison.

Who said biology was offensive?

Using body parts instead of the simple word woman is though

Oh well, never mind. There is nothing offensive about biology in my opinion.

Does anyone have any commentary to make as to what policies the Conservatives are planning to implement that will protect women?