Brighton shows why you shouldn’t vote Labour - Julie Burchill (and a mention of IamSarah)

(That was in response to @EasternStandard)

To be honest I'm pretty disillusioned with them all.
I'm disappointed with the Guardian for their stance on GC, the sacking of brilliant women's rights journalists and the sacking of Steve Bell which was utterly shameful.
I find the Times distinctly OK. Their coverage of culture (which I have a particular interest in) is very poor.
The Telegraph doesn't align to my political views.

I wish i rattled, i mainly wobble

Which press do you rate @Dinoland?

Google Rod Liddle.

Rattle and refresh, Rufus!

Apologies rayon

i see people have already said that!

should have refreshed 🤦🏻‍♂️

I can see some are getting quite rattled for getting called out on this

no one is getting rattled

It is baffling.

Where I am it's a stark choice between Tory and SNP.

My only hope is that Starmer, despite being the consummate fence sitter on this topic, does actually see the way the wind is blowing and will diplomatically quash it, without ever appearing to do anything much.

He's not going to sit up and listen whilst some women wave all this through because 'not as bad as the Tories'.

I can't understand women who do that. It's so tribal.

I fear Labour are going to room home to a victory with their anti-women policies still largely intact. My only hope is that Starmer, despite being the consummate fence sitter on this topic, does actually see the way the wind is blowing and will diplomatically quash it, without ever appearing to do anything much.

I really can’t tell whether he’s properly useless (as he appears to be) or whether he will turn out to be much cannier than I am currently giving him credit for.

Either way, I don’t think I can bring myself to vote Conservative, Labour, SNP or Green, which doesn’t leave me with many options unless there’s an SDP or independent in my area.

Gosh this thread is boringly predictable.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if the Labour Party would just do the right thing by women and children on this issue? Then left leaning women wouldn't have to be scolded or be accused of being closet Tories, or bigots or whatever for simply pointing out what a disappointment the left is on this.

The discussion above has made me think of another poster a while ago who did the usual 'it never happens, you're all just embroiled in a culture war!!', was shown various examples of what was being discussed and then slunk away claiming 'well, I've never read about it in the Guardian'....

I'm never going to vote Tory and the political choices are different (if depressing) here in Scotland. But given the essentially two party situation in England (I'm guessing Wales has some additional parties) and the vows from many, many people that they would never under any circumstances vote Tory, all Labour has to do is be less shite on this particular issue to romp home on a massive victory.

But Labour won't. Adherence to an ideology is simply too important.

It's baffling.

Absolutely I agree they should. But don't tell me the Tories actually care about this. Or women's rights at all. They have the power to do this but haven't. Why on earth not? The party backs in their supports back it? What's stopping them other than a weak attempt at maintaining power? They have nothing left to offer as they've ruined our country and therefore are resorting to populist views to scrabble for votes.

In what world is the Spectator a "hate rag"?!

How can you turn a blind eye to some of the articles the Guardian has published? Justifying the sex attacks on women in Cologne on NYE, being but one example?

Maybe, just maybe, each newspaper has some right fucking idiots with abhorrent views working for them, as well as others who sometimes make points that you agree with?

Genderism isn't tied to left or right. It is it's own belief system and its adherents are trying to influence every party.

Yes the majority of Tory MPs are opposed now but that's because many have their own views about women that are just as unpleasant. They didn't give a shit when it was party policy.

If I lived in Brighton voting Tory might be my only option but nationally Labour are the least worst choice. Another Tory government will be disastrous for all.

I often wonder if posters who pop up to scold us are actually clever fifth columnists. Because surely nobody actually thinks insulting and berating people will convince them to vote for who you want them to vote for?

James Kirkup's extremely thoughtful, well written and carefully researched pieces for the Spectator were some of the very first to expose the implications of the trans lobby's demands for women's rights and the assault on gender critical women.

@CreateHope seems to me quite obvious that no political party gives a fuck about women. Not a single bloody one of them.

we’re not stupid in here - we know full well that the Tories are only supporting a broadly CG stance because they see it as politically expedient. If they didn’t we’d be under the bus tomorrow. Labour, Lib Dem’s, SNP & greens care so little about women that they’re happy for men to not only announce they are one but then to privilege those men over actual women

frankly they can all fuck off

like many of our Resident Scolders - bloody irritating and dismissive.

Yes take it down a notch

Most people on here do seem to be politically homeless ex lefties.

Absolutely aghast that the left has fallen for this.

They aren't all 'Tories' in the slightest.

If you think Labour is the answer you’re going to have to post more on why rather than scold posters for not feeling the same way about them

Women on here get this kind of stuff from posters often. No one is campaigning. We are discussing the issues. Maybe join in without the accusations

They've had 13 years to sort this out. Why aren't they doing it now?

Labour have had 13 years to understand the issues that gender ideology causes women and come up with policies that protect us. Why aren’t they doing it now?

This has was identified as a possible campaigning issue a good few years ago now - hard to believe this originally started being discussed here 10 years ago now, back during the Spartacus days when the board was more about our shock and anger at how EVERYONE had let us down.

Sadly I no longer find it at all unbelievable that there would be people on MN for years campaigning for political parties. And yes, of course there will be people who will be swayed by them - I am not longer that surprised when I see lazy "x party will do right by women" talking points repeated here, but it still irritates me.