Year 8 trans child - in secret

Primary motive was Brianna's vulnerability which offered an easy target.

That’s wrong as well. The primary motive was Scarlet’s sadistic desire to kill. Watch the judgement.

Yet this thread asking whether or not to out a trans girl to her peers mysteriously exists nonetheless.

How can I possibly be neutral?

I endured years of firsthand demonstration of how brutally, senselessly cruel kids are to peers they perceive as trans. I know exactly what it is like. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

Trans people are accepted, and have been for many years.

What is NOT acceptable is that males can easily identify into spaces where females and children are vulnerable, or need space to maintain privacy, dignity. and fairness ie, no men (and TW are men) in women's toilets, changing rooms, prisons, hospital wards, sports etc.

If a woman or girl risks being made unsafe, uncomfortable or disadvantaged, then thee should not be a male in that space.

Do stop spreading this myth. I'm sure trans people get abuse, and maybe sometimes violence. But unless you've been living under a rock, I'm sure you know that Brianna Ghey was not murdered for being trans, and that there were 4 other teenagers on the hit list, none of whom were trans. Brianna wasn't even the first on the list.

Teenage boys are at far higher risk of stabbing than trans teenagers. According to these statistics, there were 69 teenagers murdered in the year to March 2022 in England and Wales, 72% male and 28% female; fairly typical totals, though an increase on the previous year. I don't know of a single trans teenager being murdered other than Brianna. Some stats for you here , suggesting that the risk of trans people being murdered is much lower than for other groups, though the numbers are too low to be statistically significant.

"secondary motive"

Primary motive was Brianna's vulnerability which offered an easy target.

Secondary motives can be anything which isolates the individual and makes them vulnerable - acne, weight, wearing very thick glasses . . .

These poor children - all of them. What is needed is for all the adults with a vested interest in promoting transitioning to be removed from being able to influence schools, child health care and all the other places where children socialise. Brianna's mother is promoting a campaign to remove social media from the phones etc of children below the age of 16 which would go some way to limit the influence of promoters of age inappropriate adult ideologies / interests towards children.

Professionals and parents must provide good quality child centred support & therapy for children believing they can change sex. Schools must regain their professional skills they have from dealing with children with similar vulnerabilities - self harm, eating disorders, loss & bereavement etc with allied professionals abandoning the immediate affirmation demanded by trans lobby groups. All must return to centring safeguarding and promoting the emotional health and wellbeing of all children.

Many schools have successfully thrown a safety net around their children and not allowed Stonewall, Global Butterflies, Gendered Intelligence etc in to promote their ideology at children below the age of consent. Others have been unthinkingly captured with children's rights to a safe, age appropriate environment free from political influence being compromised. This must stop.

Ah, "you shouldn't transition because of the way we will treat you if you do" my old friend.

I agree that the only way forward is for trans people to be accepted. We don't have that option, currently. The safest route, where available, is still to hide.

I can't see any way that this doesn't end in serious tears for everyone.

If the girls are so dangerous that they can't be told he's a boy now, how dangerous are they going to be when they find out he is a boy ( when he hits puberty) AND they've been lied to.

You might not know but there are many things girls don’t want to talk to boys about- even the nice ones, even the gay ones, even the ones they’ve been told are girls.

Im deeply uncomfortable with the idea that girls can be lied to with the assumption they will “do the right thing” when the truth comes out.

Personally I think the only way forward is for trans to be accepted - not hidden. Just like every other social movement had to.

Don’t talk about “thin slivers of safety” when you have said on other threads that people should use changing facilities that they are comfortable with.

This kid may be changing away from girls but you would FULLY support them if they were changing with the girls, wouldn’t you?

You're not exactly coming from a neutral position on this are you? You've skin in the game so to speak.

If I found out my best friend at school was actually the opposite sex and had been lugging to me for a couple of years that would completely and utterly have fucked with my head as a young teen.

Yes, butterfly!!! A pre-teen girl discovering that their best friend is actually a boy would be a complete head fuck! Obviously, I can’t believe anyone would need that pointing out.

One of the posters in this thread has a trans son who is in a similar situation himself.

The people whose privacy and dignity are at risk of being invaded here are those who are understandably trying to protect themselves from what they have seen happening to other trans people who dared be open.

Are you seriously trying to say that discovering your friend is trans is damaging to a person's sanity?

Brianna was not murdered because Brianna was trans.

Yes she in part was. That was the verdict. Watch the judgement. Trying to deny the reality of what happened is ridiculous.

..so don't even consider the girls who are being coerced and gaslit. Their privacy and dignity are being invaded. But don't even bother thinking about them. Just think about the precious boy whose feelings are being prioritised over the safety and sanity of the girls

This girl has, against heavily stacked odds, managed to find a way to escape the way that trans people are still to this day treated in school. We have a current parent of a trans child at school in this very thread talking about how this is a huge safety concern for trans kids. Another vulnerable trans girl was murdered last year for being trans.

OP is crowdsourcing justification for tearing down the thin sliver of safety this child has.

Don't. Please.

"You both took part in a brutal and planned murder which was sadistic in nature and where a secondary motive was hostility towards Brianna because of her transgender identity."

Brianna was not murdered because Brianna was trans.

Brianna was murdered because Brianna was vulnerable. Like many children (and adults) with autism, Brianna found social interaction difficult, and this resulted in isolation which caused the killers to target a lonely child desperate for friendship.

The other people on the murderers' list were not trans.

I completely agree. I have frequently made the point that the data collection and analysis is extremely poor or absent. TRAs do not want the quality or quantity of the data collection to be improved.

Professor Alice Sullivan has thankfully been appointed to lead in this area. She contributed to the Scottish gmt sessions and is referred to in the report.

@ButterflyHatched I have quoted my post with a link to the Scottish GMT publication which should contain the academic rigour you are seeking in relation to the 4000%.

Provided I was certain, I would tell my child, because I value having an honest relationship with them as hugely more important than having to prop up the lies another parent may choose to tell their own child. People cannot change sex, and telling children that they can is quite evil in my view, for the poor kid with dysphoria most of all.

The figures about children are completely distorted by the way that trans lobby groups have been allowed to freely gaslight children that their developing bodies are flawed and can be fixed via drugs, surgery and sex change with #nodebate silencing all challenges. Everyone who's a parent of older children or who has worked with children for some years knows that this is a new phenomenon based significantly on social contagion.

This is a massive social experiment on children where too many adults have turned away for a variety of reasons in the last decade, leaving proponents of queer theory free to push an adult ideology at children and young people who are ill equipped to make such complex life long decisions.