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Thank you: JK Rowling, Kathleen Stock, Kellie Jay Keen, Jo Phoenix and many more

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Woman2023 · 27/01/2024 10:28

I just want to thank all these women for speaking out for women despite the obstacles put in their place. It's getting easier for the rest of us now.

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Zebracat · 28/01/2024 13:34

Riley Gaines. So hard to do what she did.

redfacebigdisgrace · 28/01/2024 13:30

Did we get Kemi Badenoch in? She’s been instrumental. And Janice Turner in The Times.

Rainbowshit · 28/01/2024 13:25

Reem Alsalem, UN Special Rapporteur on violence against women has lent her voice on several occasions.

Igmum · 28/01/2024 13:19

And all the incredibly well-informed women of Mumsnet who keep plugging away with their knowledge of facts. Sheroes every one.

Can I join you in the snorers' tent @Boiledbeetle and @Zebracat? Will bring Ginand naice tonic in case we get parched after the terf bar has closed for the night.

LondonLass91 · 28/01/2024 13:00

Theyarehere · 27/01/2024 11:16

A gay bar in London has a I❤️JKR flag up. 🤷‍♀️

A Gay bar in Stratford East London does too! X

WaterHound · 28/01/2024 12:48

quantumbutterfly · 28/01/2024 11:06

tbf that's another way of putting us back in our boxes. I would go to NZ in a heartbeat if given the opportunity, wonderful country, wonderful people.

We talk of courage but let a few TRA's keep us away.

They're not exactly the taliban.

I fear that there are quite a few similarities in the way that they view women.

They are the Traliban at the very least?

quantumbutterfly · 28/01/2024 11:26

Dammit...can still wear purple, green and white though.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 28/01/2024 11:21

Boiledbeetle · 27/01/2024 23:42

Ooh ooh ooh. A Twitter one

https://x.com/Dis_Critic?s=09

And for the historic tweet itself

https://twitter.com/Dis_Critic/status/1289169850334617600?s=19

I am eternally thankful to Dis_Critc as she gave us

WOMEN WON'T WHEESHT

That phrase has been registered as a for profit company by women who are not Dis Critic.

There are a few phrases apropriated - so WWW makes me cringe now.

quantumbutterfly · 28/01/2024 11:06

tbf that's another way of putting us back in our boxes. I would go to NZ in a heartbeat if given the opportunity, wonderful country, wonderful people.

We talk of courage but let a few TRA's keep us away.

They're not exactly the taliban.

TheaBrandt · 28/01/2024 10:44

I was absolutely disgusted by how she was treated in NZ. Made me determined never to visit that backwater.

quantumbutterfly · 28/01/2024 10:10

Thanks to KJK for starting international dialogues and Elaine Miller for standing for election.

Marvellous, knowledgeable, courageous women.

Terfenheimerama · 28/01/2024 10:07

Sarah (‘men know what a woman is in Holbeck’ speech) Field. Very brave, very early (2018).

ArabellaScott · 28/01/2024 09:56

Thanks to Johann Lamont and the other very brave Labour MSPs who stood up and fought for 'sex not gender' in the Scottish Parliament.

Thanks to Joanna Cherry, Ash Regan, Joan McAlpine for their immense bravery and integrity fighting for women in the SNP.

Thanks to Rachael Hamilton and Pam Gosal of the Conservatives for their standing up for women during the GRR consultation process.

When it comes to Scottish Greens, thanks to Andy Wightman and Robin Harper.

lady69 · 28/01/2024 09:46

thanking Dennis Kavanagh and Clive Simpson too.

Cailin66 · 28/01/2024 09:45

AuContraire · 27/01/2024 22:18

I'm very grateful for the women on here 5-8 years ago — most of whom HQ booted off MN because men told them to —who kept reminding us that NO men were women, not even the nice ones, and held that firm line, explaining it again and again, making thousands (tens of, hundreds of thousands?) of women able to think and talk it through too.

Barracker, LangCleg, AngryAttackKittens, Ro, Datun, Dittany, to name but a few.

(Just remembered that MNHQ banned women from asking politicians on the webchats about women's rights, deleting posts before our very eyes and banning the women. And we wonder why politicians claim "nobody ever asks me about this, its a non issue").

Wasn’t Kellie Jean Kean banned from here because she refused to say men could become women. I believe she posted as Posy Parker (this is before my time)

WickedSerious · 28/01/2024 09:30

TownGown · 27/01/2024 11:35

I saw someone on Twitter saying they were starting a "TERF bar" where only women were allowed in and one of the security was a convicted murderer who would ask questions about periods "only real women could answer" or something. It sounded very bizarre.

Of course you did.

WaterHound · 28/01/2024 09:11

AppleBlossomTimeNow · 27/01/2024 23:10

The beautiful, wise & witty Magdelene Burns.

Oh god yes. Wonderful woman.

AuContraire · 28/01/2024 07:18

TheaBrandt · 28/01/2024 05:41

Lionel Shriver
James Kirkup
Janice Turner
Suzanne Moore
Hadley Freeman

Proper journalists who did what journalists are supposed to do and didnt take the easy option.

Forgot about James Kirkup! Another early one.

He said at the beginning "I'm only writing about this because nobody else other than Janice Turner is, and she's getting hounded because she's female whereas my penis protects me. The media and politicians need to do their job and debate this. When that starts happening, I'll stop."

And I think he has now stopped. He really helped build us to our critical mass.

Andrew Gilligan in the Times to was another very early one.

AuContraire · 28/01/2024 07:13

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/01/2024 00:20

Oliver Brown? Isn't poor Sean stuck at the Guardian?
Another male ally - Ross Tucker - scienceofsport on twitter.

Yes Sean Ingle is at the Guardian, and he had some how been managing to get factual articles about male athletes in female sport into that paper since at least as long ago as 2018, very, very carefully letting Guardian Sport readers know that there is 'another side' to the debate and keeping his language as factually clear as he could.

Sean was the only sports writer discussing this for quite a long time. And he was doing this despite being at the Guardian, with Chief Sports Writer Jonathan Liew of "even if transwomen did have an advantage and won everything in women's sport, who cares? It's only women's sport, it's not actually important"-fame.

I have huge respect for Sean.

TheaBrandt · 28/01/2024 05:41

Lionel Shriver
James Kirkup
Janice Turner
Suzanne Moore
Hadley Freeman

Proper journalists who did what journalists are supposed to do and didnt take the easy option.

Appalonia · 28/01/2024 00:39

Whenever I've met any of these amazing pp in real life, I've made a point of thanking them personally as I feel so incredibly grateful for how hard they've worked, their courage, how much they've sacrificed and the impact it's made. I love meeting my heroes in real life and they've always been absolutely lovely!

quantumbutterfly · 28/01/2024 00:28

ShangPie · 27/01/2024 23:43

So many amazing women whose shoulders we stand on…

This board has definitely helped me to see through the BS and become more vocal, especially the posts of Frood, Datun, ArabellaScott, BoiledBeetle and more. It has been a fascinating, terrifying, frustrating journey.

For the TERF bar, another post alerted me to Virago in Leeds, who are hosting a Vino & Vent Salon next month. Can’t comment on whether terf bras will be worn, but dogs almost certainly welcome.

Indeed, we see further because we are standing on the shoulders of giantesses..(thank you Bernard of Chartres).

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/01/2024 00:20

AuContraire · 27/01/2024 22:05

Sean Ingle.

He's been great.

Oliver Brown? Isn't poor Sean stuck at the Guardian?
Another male ally - Ross Tucker - scienceofsport on twitter.

JoodyBlue · 28/01/2024 00:09

Heather Brunskill Evans, Julia Long, Venice Allen, Sheila Jeffryes, Marcus and Sue Evans, David Bell

ShangPie · 27/01/2024 23:43

So many amazing women whose shoulders we stand on…

This board has definitely helped me to see through the BS and become more vocal, especially the posts of Frood, Datun, ArabellaScott, BoiledBeetle and more. It has been a fascinating, terrifying, frustrating journey.

For the TERF bar, another post alerted me to Virago in Leeds, who are hosting a Vino & Vent Salon next month. Can’t comment on whether terf bras will be worn, but dogs almost certainly welcome.

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