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Transgenderism not a modish fad because: Jan Morris

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Igneococcus · 27/01/2024 09:35

Says the outgoing head of one of Edinburgh's private schools.

“I often use the experience of Jan Morris, whose testimony about trans status, having gone up Everest as a man, had children as a man, married and been in the army, all the time feeling like a woman, means [trans issues] cannot be dismissed as a modish oddity.
“Once you have accepted that, you accept that in the population there will be children experiencing that, we have to try and understand that, not to judge either way but make sure their experience in society and in school is as supportive and caring as it possibly can be.”

You'd think someone who runs (ran) a school that charges almost £16K/a is a bit more clued on.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/865440df-a0ed-41f4-96a8-165616cdcf2e?shareToken=817b15d10d03786417a5d224fbac72da

‘Trans issues cannot be dismissed as a modish oddity’

Melvyn Roffe, the outgoing head of the Edinburgh private school George Watson’s College, on why Labour’s tax plans will make every student worse off

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/865440df-a0ed-41f4-96a8-165616cdcf2e?shareToken=817b15d10d03786417a5d224fbac72da

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Abeona · 27/01/2024 12:03

But Jan Morris was an abusive man who treated his wife and at least one of his children very poorly. His daughter talked about it in this Times article.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jan-morris-was-a-trans-pioneer-and-a-cruel-parent-9x82s5cg9

Morris had no respect for women. Just like all the other manly men in the military who ID as women because they have the three-letter acronym that cannot be named. I have friends in Wales whose extended family lived near to the house where Morris and his wife lived in later years and everyone in the area knew what he was like and how poorly he treated his wife and other women. It wasn't a family secret.

Jan Morris was a trans pioneer — and a cruel parent

The reporter and travel writer’s gender reassignment caused a sensation in the 1970s, but at home she refused to answer her children’s questions. The Jan they knew was neglectful, bullying and sexist, writes her daughter Suki Morys

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jan-morris-was-a-trans-pioneer-and-a-cruel-parent-9x82s5cg9

TrishTrix · 27/01/2024 11:54

about to change schools.

if you live in Bristol and buy private education you might want to check it out.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 27/01/2024 11:21

He's a worry isn't he? Very much "in plain sight".

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 27/01/2024 11:16

having gone up Everest as a man

That tells me exactly how seriously to take Mr Roffe’s views. James Morris didn’t go up Everest. I think he reached Base Camp at about 18,000 feet, only 11,000 feet below the summit.

Melroses · 27/01/2024 11:04

James/Jan Morris's writing was very persuasive.

Being good at writing doesn't make things true though.

happydappy2 · 27/01/2024 10:48

It's quite terrifying that a Head Teacher would say this in a National Paper and think it's acceptable to conflate cross dressing males, with children who are anxious about their developing bodies. What has a cross dressing adult male who has Fathered children got in common with a pre pubescent child? Nothing. How can some people be so blind to what this ideology is doing.

Hepwo · 27/01/2024 10:25

Lots of men seem quite besotted with Morris. See the interview with Micheal Palin for an illustration. Looks at him adoringly.

Chrysanthemum5 · 27/01/2024 10:00

I just knew it would be him - he is very firmly in the TWAW camp and removed single sex toilets at the school. He's a menace

Theinnocenteyeballsinthesky · 27/01/2024 09:59

lol I bet he thought he was being terribly clever too!

men getting off on presenting as women is definitely as old as time. The difference is no one was expected to behave as if they were actually women

AnnaMagnani · 27/01/2024 09:59

Has he read anything written by Jan Morris's children all of which make it clear Jan was an AGP and arrogant shit?

Froodwithatowel · 27/01/2024 09:53

NecessaryScene · 27/01/2024 09:42

Men wanting to act like women certainly isn't a modish oddity - it's as old as time.

The modish oddity is the current response to that desire.

Nailed in two sentences.

Time40 · 27/01/2024 09:49

Having recently read Jan Morris's autobiography, Conundrum, I am totally certain that Jan Morris was AGP, so I don't think Jan Morris is a good example for Mr Roffe to be citing.

MrsJamin · 27/01/2024 09:49

Men being turned on by putting on women's clothes has happened forever, this isn't new, it's just accepted by society, bafflingly.

popebishop · 27/01/2024 09:45

I agree there have always been people that recognise the sex they are and wish to be the opposite sex.

What that has to do with people saying everyone has an inner gender identity that renders sex irrelevant for everyone, I'm not sure.

NecessaryScene · 27/01/2024 09:42

Men wanting to act like women certainly isn't a modish oddity - it's as old as time.

The modish oddity is the current response to that desire.

Villagetoraiseachild · 27/01/2024 09:41

Oh dear....

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