Thank you: Debbie Hayton in the Mail

People wonder why trans rights has such a stranglehold and seems impossible to counteract it, yet when someone comes out and talks about the reality and fights back against the activists they're shouted down because they're not the right sort of person.

OH my fucking Christ!!!

Tit hierarchy 🤣

Kneel! Bow down before my mighty bosoms!

Seriously, that should only be a thing on the bird table.

I've seen Hayton's articles in Unherd and/or the Critic. I've not read one for years though. They always seem a bit....simplistic and lacking somehow. I think of him like i do the right wingers who's views might coincidentally intersect or overlap with that of GC feminists. I don't believe our interests are the same or that we're coming from or aiming for the same place.

That is weird. I just looked myself. They clearly aren't her shoes!

That's right, I'd forgotten. He tells everybody exactly what he's like, and people still give him the benefit of the doubt!

Debbie's wife is wearing his shoes in that picture...they're massive and clearly far too big for her feet.

There are loads of men who talk about their AGP. You can go onto Reddit and read tons of stories.

It's the relentless consumption of online pornography that creates it. Sissy porn, Hypo porn, etc. All involving the total subjugation of women. You have to go some for it to take hold of you as much as it does with these men, but then that's what they do.

And of course, they try to create a trans child , to justify their adult fetish.

Also: Stephanie Hayton? Come the fuck on Fat Tony.

Sorry, as you were.

Can anyone who reads this or his book report back on his lifelong mission to undo all the harm he caused ALL THE GIRLS in schools across the UK because he got the policies changed to allow boys into their toilets and changing rooms?

I mean, I'm sure if this isn't all about Debbie he will do everything in his power to undo that, right?

P.s...he's just a man making more money off the tide turning. He is not to be trusted on anything.

DH told her that if she asked him to leave over this, he would. But when she did ask, he refused ‘because I like to push boundaries’ or something like that.

Philias tend to flock in numbers rather than remain single. Control over a family/others, a refusal to honour your word…it all adds to the thrill of transgression. We see it in Yaniv, Izzard, Bergdorf and so many other key representatives.

The Straight Spouse Network podcast did an illuminating interview with both Dr Haytons a few years ago (Stephanie has a doctorate too.)

DH told her that if she asked him to leave over this, he would. But when she did ask, he refused ‘because I like to push boundaries’ or something like that.

I always think the de-transers/ the reasonable voice of trans people are a bit GB News.

Looks down at tits...

I mean if anyone wants to bow down to me given how high up that breast size social hierarchy I am knock yourselves out. In the meantime I'll just be knocking myself out with my own tits every time I try to run.

Hayton bangs on repeatedly about being a scientist. He teaches science to high school kids, for heaven’s sake, he’s not Richard Dawkins or Stephen Hawking.

I found it very uncomfortable seeing the two photos with Stephanie in an article which doesn’t touch on what his transition did to her. She’s used as his prop, not a woman with agency.

Both the “take me seriously, I am a scientist” and the use of his wife as a visual prop gave me a very strong impression of Hayton as Me Me Me, and not the Voice Of Reason he’s trying to present himself as.

The article says that ‘the surgeon had sliced open my male genitals and repurposed them to create an aesthetic and functional facsimile of female genitalia.’

A functional vagina does a lot of things that a facsimile created from repurposed male genitals is never going to be capable of.

I'm not really sure what hayton is advocating for?

I think for people to recognise how hard it is for DH living with these unique contradictions, and everyone else going through similar should also realise they're aren't really a woman either, but hey ho, DH need to still be treated as a woman, so everyone needs to do that because it's hard for DH.

Reading Debbie Hayton was one of the reasons I ended up on this board, so I do retain some good will, even while acknowledging that there's probably some manipulation going on too.
And I thought this was sad: '
''If I had known in 2012 what I know now, would I have transitioned? The answer is no."

However these days I reserve most of my sympathy for Hayton's wife, Stephanie and their children. Maybe they should write their own book - I'd buy that.

And, iirc, all this was before women started going public about what was happening to them in the workplace. And before we started raising money to fund tribunals and cases.

yes, it was. And when I see those old names crop up I get a pang too. Their contribution was so valuable.

Ah yes! I remember that. Yes you're right, context is everything.

And, iirc, all this was before women started going public about what was happening to them in the workplace. And before we started raising money to fund tribunals and cases.

(My usual resentment at the pang of reminiscence I have for so many names on that thread and so many other deleted threads who were endlessly disciplined or banned in the years of the Heavy Mod.)

I'm not really sure what hayton is advocating for?

If he thinks the combination of his AGP and the medical profession caused surgery he regrets, he doesn't seem that angry. He's not speaking out about incorrect diagnosis and surgery.

If he regrets the damage trans ideology on his family, again he doesn't seem angry enough.

All i hear him say is that agp and doctors caused his transition, and whats done is done, theres no way he can go back to being a man. All the talk of realising he's not a woman but a trans woman, isnt helping anyone apart from hayton.

He's pushing the idea that he's not a man, but a trans woman, knowing the world sees everyone as men and non men.

I understand what you're saying, and why you're saying it, too. I felt similar about Miranda Yardley, quite early on.

It's just that personally, I have changed my mind.

Anything that an AGP has to say about their AGP will not be honest. It's my opinion that Debbie's wife would have a far more sincere account of Debbie's journey than Debbie.

What I would actually be interested in knowing from DH, is whether being perceived as a woman inspired any genuine flicker of empathy with women and what they live with because of their bodies and gender (as in what they are assumed by others to be like because they are female).

Did any empathy lodge in their brain, or did it all get handwaved away by the knowledge they are actually male so it doesn't really apply to themself?

Yes male thinking, but a little bizarre in a middle-aged man, who's been married, had children, and taught in a school!

To remain so ignorant of the lives of real women takes some doing.