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4 year old boy started primary school as a girl...

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impossibletoday · 26/01/2024 21:57

https://twitter.com/CforWomenUK/status/1750997335570534457?t=a-oev8ZajeoOWM0nSOMhtQ&s=19

Now in year 4 is 'flashing their willy' at the girls.

Hopefully someone can archive the link

https://twitter.com/CforWomenUK/status/1750997335570534457?s=19&t=a-oev8ZajeoOWM0nSOMhtQ

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ResisterRex · 27/01/2024 08:40

It isn't an isolated incident of children being transed and adults being told to lie to children and their parents about it, no:

www.transgendertrend.com/analysis-mermaids-press-statement/

Datun · 27/01/2024 08:40

Kemi wanted to the guidance to say no 'trans children' in school at all, but she was persuaded to water that down because of the equally act.

You can't leave a single loophole anywhere. The trans lobby will always, always drive a truck through it.

Datun · 27/01/2024 08:31

Anyone who has spent even a small amount of time listening to transactactivists knows that when you create a boundary, the first thing they'll do is try to remove it.

And anyone could have told Kemi that the pushback to the government guidance will be fierce and relentless.

The ridiculous letter from Mermaids being a prime example. Hopefully trying to get parents to ignore government guidance, when they are already under investigation will be the final nail in their coffin.

This awful situation, where little girls are becoming depressed and withdrawn because their schools are complicit in a complete disintegration of safeguarding, won't be an isolated incident.

Parents are beginning to appreciate that they can absolutely take issue with the trans lobby's infiltration into their children's schools.

This will be just the beginning.

The government are going to understand why women at the coalface warned them that the guidance didn't go far enough.

WarriorN · 27/01/2024 08:30

He's doing it to show who he really is, not in a sexual way I'd've thought!
He wouldn't have been shown what it's for sexually if they want him to be a girl.
Isn't a kid flashing often a sign of sexual abuse? This seems more psychological so they'd be denying his penis is a thing

So him showing it at school could be a clever way of telling the truth?

It could be but the wider picture of provoking behaviour raises a few red flags.

It's not remotely sexual but it's gaining a reaction. And he's aware that it is. We don't know how it was dealt with but the boundary laying is already on the back foot due to the fact he's allowed in the girls. If he was autistic (possible) that adds an extra layer of difficulty with understanding points of view.

It's a common thing among much younger children and some autistic and often adhd children - do something and gain a predictable reaction. Often linked to low self esteem too.

I'm not looking at the behaviour as anything other than he's learnt cause and effect but it's the context of the girls' toilets and how the narratives are being played around him that concerns me at that older age. He's still being told that he can be in those toilets.

dementedpixie · 27/01/2024 08:30

ilovebreadsauce · 27/01/2024 00:46

It is absolutely nobody else's business what is inside a 4 year old's pants. Have you thought the chikd might have been born intersex?

'Intersex' or those with a DSD are still either male or female not a combination of both. Their parents know exactly what sex their child is and if they have a penis they are male.

ThisTimePants · 27/01/2024 08:23

There's a girl in Dd's class dressed up as a boy. They are in Y3 now but apparently she has been like this since reception, except she had long hair then. Since Y1 she looks like a boy 100%.

I don't know the parents well so no idea if it came from them or the girl, but at least in DD's class everyone knows she's a girl wanting to be a boy 🤷

FrancescaContini · 27/01/2024 08:20

LondonLass91 · 27/01/2024 08:08

Well it's child abuse, isn't it?

Where are social services?

Yes

FrancescaContini · 27/01/2024 08:19

Absolutely appalling. Heads should roll and the parents need investigating.

But very pleased the issue is being reported and capturing the attention of an ever wider public.

LondonLass91 · 27/01/2024 08:17

LittleLittleRex · 27/01/2024 07:56

That poor boy as well, the pressure he's under to behave a certain way and to keep a massive secret.

Our school has a girl who started school as a boy, transitioned at 4, spent most of primary 1 crying while the parents said how much happier they were as a boy, WTF?

My 4yo told some people that she'd been a girl at nursery and the parents sent insane hyperbolic emails that my 4yo DS was misgendering, deadnaming, outing and putting "his" life at risk, you name it. All the while turning their happy carefree little girl into a nervous wreck of a boy. At 10yo this child has so many mental health problems but the parents still think they are winning at parenting - 20yos on Twitter tell them they are, after all (and Mermaids).

Absolutely sick. Transhausens by proxy. What are the school thinking?! Why wouldn't they just say 'your child is 4, there'll be no treating them as the opposite sex', while reporting to social services. Who then act. I mean, surely no right thinking person (either trans or not) would think this is right. I have a nearly 4 year old. These parents obviously love love love it when their toddler says 'i am a girl/boy'. They jump on it because it feeds their 'specialness'. My girl often says 'I'm a boy', as well as being a cat and dog. A normal parent takea no notice and just smiles. This is absolutely abuse by the parents.

Datun · 27/01/2024 08:16

AgathaAllAlong · 27/01/2024 01:11

Ridiculous sensationalist article. The main complaint is that the girl doesn't want to befriend boys and that the boy starts hitting them. Newsflash, lots of girls are friends with boys - and most little boys aren't violent to their friends.

“I don’t want to hold hands with boys, Mum. I was only holding Bobby’s hand because I thought she was a girl.”

The interviewed parents say that their daughter has been robbed of her childhood!! What nonsense.

'ridiculous' and 'nonsense'.

Do you normally show such contempt for the boundaries and consent of women and girls?

OldCrone · 27/01/2024 08:15

ilovebreadsauce · 27/01/2024 00:46

It is absolutely nobody else's business what is inside a 4 year old's pants. Have you thought the chikd might have been born intersex?

If it's nobody else's business why does he keep showing the contents of his pants to the girls?

Random30 · 27/01/2024 08:09

ilovebreadsauce · 27/01/2024 00:48

I imagine as one of the richest entities in the country, they have much expert advice they can draw on.More than you anyway.

Like Stonewall?

”It would be unkind to ask how that’s working out for you”

LondonLass91 · 27/01/2024 08:08

Well it's child abuse, isn't it?

Where are social services?

Userxyd · 27/01/2024 08:05

WarriorN · 27/01/2024 07:26

V concerning behaviour from the child as he's learnt that he can get reactions from the girls via toilets and flashing, as well as other physical behaviour.

And has been brought up to believe he has a right to be in the girls' spaces.

And at y4, children have a lot of self awareness.

NSPCC messages about pantasaurus clearly working well there. Hmm

He's doing it to show who he really is, not in a sexual way I'd've thought!
He wouldn't have been shown what it's for sexually if they want him to be a girl.
Isn't a kid flashing often a sign of sexual abuse? This seems more psychological so they'd be denying his penis is a thing.
So him showing it at school could be a clever way of telling the truth?

Userxyd · 27/01/2024 08:01

songaboutjam · 27/01/2024 00:24

She said the trans-identifying child had been “flashing their willy” at the girls. He is believed to have told them in the toilets about “dark spirits that will suck their souls out” and said it is a “deep secret” that “she” is actually a boy, but they mustn’t tell anybody.

Whilst I imagine the above is done in all innocence, it's truly awful to see "flashing" and "deep secret" in the same sentence. Let alone a sentence that the teachers appear to support. What is it teaching those little girls?

Also concerning is the comment about dark spirits. Is this is just typical kid talk, or is this reflective of something else going on in his life?

All this is terrifying- at that age no child should know the concept of "dark spirits sucking out their soul". Massive red flag for psychological abuse, as well as obviously denying reality, lying to the child and getting the child to lie to the world. Clever boy though to show everyone his penis as a way of stating the truth and getting out of this bullshit. I hope he gets the help he deserves and his parents go on some watchlist (even though that doesn't exist since the likes of Michelle Mone and cronies have stolen £bn that could've funded social services, MH care, the NHS etc etc....) 😭

LittleLittleRex · 27/01/2024 07:56

That poor boy as well, the pressure he's under to behave a certain way and to keep a massive secret.

Our school has a girl who started school as a boy, transitioned at 4, spent most of primary 1 crying while the parents said how much happier they were as a boy, WTF?

My 4yo told some people that she'd been a girl at nursery and the parents sent insane hyperbolic emails that my 4yo DS was misgendering, deadnaming, outing and putting "his" life at risk, you name it. All the while turning their happy carefree little girl into a nervous wreck of a boy. At 10yo this child has so many mental health problems but the parents still think they are winning at parenting - 20yos on Twitter tell them they are, after all (and Mermaids).

LarissaFeodorovna · 27/01/2024 07:30

AgathaAllAlong · 27/01/2024 01:11

Ridiculous sensationalist article. The main complaint is that the girl doesn't want to befriend boys and that the boy starts hitting them. Newsflash, lots of girls are friends with boys - and most little boys aren't violent to their friends.

“I don’t want to hold hands with boys, Mum. I was only holding Bobby’s hand because I thought she was a girl.”

The interviewed parents say that their daughter has been robbed of her childhood!! What nonsense.

No, the main complaint is that these girls have consistently and over a long period been lied to about something really fundamental by people they should have been able to trust to tell them the truth.

WarriorN · 27/01/2024 07:28

If there's any autism there it may be very difficult to help him understand the boundaries around this.

I've taught some children with autism who also have adhd and they have strong desires for reactions from peers to what ever they find gets a 'rise,' as part of their sensory feedback needs.

Tuile · 27/01/2024 07:27

What sex a person is is hugely important to children. It is a very normal part of their social development that they become aware of sex differences and then segregate socially. IME between ages 6-10 they have a significant preference for sex-segregated play, so of course will feel betrayed and horrible if they have been lied to about where a child fits in that categorisation. Even where girls do play with boys, it’s important that they know they are boys: as the child says, they want to judge who to hold hands with etc.

People who have disorders of sexual development (‘intersex’) are still male or female.

WarriorN · 27/01/2024 07:26

V concerning behaviour from the child as he's learnt that he can get reactions from the girls via toilets and flashing, as well as other physical behaviour.

And has been brought up to believe he has a right to be in the girls' spaces.

And at y4, children have a lot of self awareness.

NSPCC messages about pantasaurus clearly working well there. Hmm

WarriorN · 27/01/2024 07:19

Those poor girls learning that both adults and males lie in such an enormous way is awful.

Slightly linked; mermaids has been encouraging parents to write to schools re guidance.

x.com/jebadoo2/status/1750484369787982136?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

4 year old boy started primary school as a girl...
DancefloorAcrobatics · 27/01/2024 07:17

ilovebreadsauce · 27/01/2024 00:46

It is absolutely nobody else's business what is inside a 4 year old's pants. Have you thought the chikd might have been born intersex?

Of course you are correct.

So, said child should keep the pants on and not show off the dangly bit!

More importantly said child should be made aware that at age 4 having a dangly bit means the child is likely to be a boy... and if he wants to be a dinosaur, toaster or a pretty flower than that's what he'll be for the time being. As long as he keeps his teeth in check, don't pop up toast in someone's face or mess around with his petals!

Mummyoflittledragon · 27/01/2024 07:10

Those poor children, all of them. Messed up by adults, who should be there to protect and safeguard them.

PriOn1 · 27/01/2024 06:48

Northernsouloldies · 27/01/2024 00:40

So much simpler when I started primary school (admittedly a long time ago). We even had separate line ups to get In, one for boys, one for girls. I feel sorry for kids now. How and why did it become so complicated.

My sister’s friend’s son wanted to line up with the girls, which was a significant piece of evidence that he was one, apparently.

I do believe that there are a tiny number of children who persistently state that they are the opposite sex. I also believe that the correct thing to do is to consistently explain reality to them, including reminders that they can wear whatever they like and play with whatever they like, whichever sex they are (unfortunately more complicated with boys, due to the greater prejudice against them wearing girls’ clothes) then get them psychiatric help if the delusion persists.

What we shouldn’t be doing is accepting that their delusion is normal and encouraging them to pretend they’re something they’re not and insisting the rest of the world must pretend too.