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In the actual Guardian! "The law is now clear: you can’t be punished for having gender-critical views. So why does it keep happening?"

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AlphariusOmegron · 26/01/2024 11:53

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/26/law-clear-cannot-be-sacked-gender-critical-views-women-sex?CMP=share_btn_tw

The law is now clear: you can’t be sacked for having gender-critical views. So why does it keep happening? | Susanna Rustin

A slew of employment tribunals shows many women have been wrongly disciplined for expressing beliefs on gender and sex, says Guardian writer Susanna Rustin

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/26/law-clear-cannot-be-sacked-gender-critical-views-women-sex?CMP=share_btn_tw

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Boiledbeetle · 30/01/2024 20:41

JanesLittleGirl · 30/01/2024 12:43

We simply don't know.

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JanesLittleGirl · 30/01/2024 14:01

Holeinamole · 30/01/2024 05:46

Why do transgender people have the special right to not be ‘outed’, i.e. having to declare their sex? What is the reason for this taboo that does not apply to other people?

The short answer is that they don't. It's a classic piece of overextension by TRAs. People with a GRC cannot be asked to produce it or even if they have one. If you discover that a person has a GRC in the course of your work then it is a criminal offence to share that information. If a person tells you that they have a GRC as part of a casual conversation then you can legally share that knowledge with anyone else. Only a decent respect for the person's privacy would prevent you.

It might be discrimination against a person without a GRC who has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment to reveal their true sex but this would be on a case by case basis.

DodoPatrol · 30/01/2024 13:50

lechiffre55 · 30/01/2024 09:55

There is also the point that in 99% of cases most people can tell with a single glance. A beard is a bit of a giveaway for example.

My niece has a beard, poor kid. S/he went the whole hog with this stuff.

Still very obviously female at more than first glance though.

duc748 · 30/01/2024 13:39

Holeinamole · 30/01/2024 05:46

Why do transgender people have the special right to not be ‘outed’, i.e. having to declare their sex? What is the reason for this taboo that does not apply to other people?

Very good question! 👏

lechiffre55 · 30/01/2024 13:07

I hope the verdicts of Jo and other women give more confidence to people being bullied at work to take action. It's expensive, but more and more results are coming out the same way. Too many to be painted as a one off or a blip, many results all going the same way. The wording of the judgements are very telling too, plenty to take heart from.
I admire JKR more and more with every result for doing soo much to uphold women's rights in the face of ladyface misogyny. These legal victories are the best form of direct action.

lechiffre55 · 30/01/2024 13:02

Yeah Felix's advice for women to attend voluntary police interviews ( and without a legal representative ? ) was particularly amazing. It's for your own good, you've got nothing to fear, the police never misbehave........

IamRoyFuckingKent · 30/01/2024 13:01

So, back to Jo Phoenix, I so love the fact that her surname is Phoenix, it should be a gift to the headline writers!

So brilliant this result. I am very careful what I say at work but will maybe be less so now.

IcakethereforeIam · 30/01/2024 12:52

Oh, I'd forgotten he claimed to work for a police force where none of the current problematic 'wokeness' ever happened. The clever money was on Sodor.

lifeturnsonadime · 30/01/2024 12:49

Ah I was thinking emotional support animal but that's clear now!

IcakethereforeIam · 30/01/2024 12:46

JanesLittleGirl · 30/01/2024 12:43

We simply don't know.

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😁

A self identified cop-splainer. Used to spam and derail threads, usually ones where women had been threatened by plod for wrong think. Long, tedious, repetitive posts absolving the police of any blame because 'we simply don't know'

puncheur · 30/01/2024 12:46

Looks like the cultural war at the Guardian (which is really Guardian US vs everyone sensible) is starting to turn.

JanesLittleGirl · 30/01/2024 12:45

Sorry, a bit obtuse. Search for Caroline Farrow threads in this topic.

JanesLittleGirl · 30/01/2024 12:43

lifeturnsonadime · 30/01/2024 12:32

Who's Felix?

We simply don't know.

lifeturnsonadime · 30/01/2024 12:32

Who's Felix?

pronounsbundlebundle · 30/01/2024 12:24

Voices are a giveaway too - very rare that a biological male sounds like a woman. You don't even need to see them to tell what sex they are.

Men and women smell different too which is why dogs can tell male from female but hopefully in general smell wouldn't be the obvious giveaway for humans as you'd probably have to get a bit unpleasantly close with our not very good sense of smell.

Although in terms of 'knock you out' BO, I've never experienced a woman being that pungent, only men.

pronounsbundlebundle · 30/01/2024 12:17

Floisme · 29/01/2024 20:11

Please can someone remind me when women were asked if we were OK with sharing our toilets and private spaces with transwomen? Because I can't remember that happening but they wouldn't have just walked in without asking first, surely?

So unladylike to just take what's not yours.

Reminds me of a group of people....hmmm.....oh yes that group of misogynist men that don't see women as human beings in their own right.

turbonerd · 30/01/2024 11:55

Wouldn’t even need a Grand piano. You can buy fold-up keyboards now, and just trot one out with a bottle of sanitizer.

Wouldn’t want infected todgers, now would we?

lechiffre55 · 30/01/2024 11:29

It's interesting how often genital inspections come up. It's almost like they want them. Perhaps a fantasy?
It's not like there's a million obvious traits. The sense of entitlement is even more obvious than the beard. Asking for girly pillow fights, playing the piano with your cock, girl mode, etc...... Maybe that's one way to keep the single sex space for females, put a piano outside the door, anyone who plays it with their cock and sings about how taking it up the arse makes them a better woman than women has to use the men's/unisex. Wouldn't need gential inspections then.

MrsOff · 30/01/2024 10:50

lechiffre55 · 29/01/2024 18:55

Has anyone else got Felix vibes from this thread?

YES.

WickedSerious · 30/01/2024 10:09

StephanieSuperpowers · 30/01/2024 10:05

And the shovels at the end of their arms.

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Feet like canal barges

.No genital inspection necessary.

StephanieSuperpowers · 30/01/2024 10:05

WickedSerious · 30/01/2024 10:03

And the way they walk.

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And the shovels at the end of their arms.

WickedSerious · 30/01/2024 10:03

lechiffre55 · 30/01/2024 09:55

There is also the point that in 99% of cases most people can tell with a single glance. A beard is a bit of a giveaway for example.

And the way they walk.

WickedSerious · 30/01/2024 09:59

DadJoke · 29/01/2024 14:49

The reality that people with religious and pseudo-religious beliefs need to be accommodated in the work environment to the extent that it doesn't impinge on the rights of others? I'm very familiar with that.

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Pseudo-religious beliefs like imaginary ladyfeelz?

lechiffre55 · 30/01/2024 09:55

There is also the point that in 99% of cases most people can tell with a single glance. A beard is a bit of a giveaway for example.

theilltemperedclavecinist · 30/01/2024 09:44

Acquiring a benefit by using a disguise is morally wrong.

Sex cannot be protected as a characteristic, as required by law, if it is kept secret.

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