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Jo Phoenix in Woman’s Hour today (Tuesday)

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crumpet · 23/01/2024 09:54

There may already be a thread but I didn’t spot one. Wanted to flag this (rather unexpected!) interview.

Womans Hour starts at 10am

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RoyalCorgi · 23/01/2024 13:34

CrossPurposes · 23/01/2024 12:12

Zoe Williams has an interesting take: https://x.com/zoesqwilliams/status/1749738220282093624?s=20

She's a really horrible person, isn't she? Imagine listening to Jo Phoenix talk about how the bullying she experienced at the OU, and the cross-examination by the OU's barrister, was even worse than what she experienced as a 15-year old girl being raped, and your first thought is anger at Woman's Hour for giving her a voice.

TanteRose · 23/01/2024 13:33

I’ve also sent a comment to the BBC.

there is a piece in the Guardian about Jo, and it’s currently the 4th most viewed article on the website Smile

Jo Phoenix in Woman’s Hour today (Tuesday)
WarriorN · 23/01/2024 13:31

Susanna Rustin, who writes at the guardian

x.com/susannarustin/status/1749519608065716731?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

Jo Phoenix in Woman’s Hour today (Tuesday)
hanahsaunt · 23/01/2024 13:09

AlphariusOmegron · 23/01/2024 11:04

The more people who contact Woman's Hour and say well done and ask for more like this, Helen Joyce maybe - the better - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/3xyZd5NjJZmN7WztP96vCG/contact-us This situation has come about because people were made to be afraid and hide their opinions, this is a chance to keep the ball rolling

Done and also completed the broader BBC feedback form so it is seen beyond Woman's Hour: Send us a comment | Contact the BBC and emailed the Feedback programme. It really was outstanding journalism.

Send us a comment | Contact the BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/comments-feedback/#/Your%20comment

IcakethereforeIam · 23/01/2024 12:57

Jo didn't have a problem with tp it was their so-called allies that gave her so much grief, allies like Zoe Williams.

Ariana12 · 23/01/2024 12:57

I also think the Open University is dreadfully to blame. It was so heart-rending to listen to how Prof Phoenix was hung out to dry and it's sickening that not one of her colleagues who drove the actions against her have seen fit to approach her. Worse still the first thing the OU says is that it's "disappointed" and is looking at appeal.

littlbrowndog · 23/01/2024 12:54

Mollyollydolly · 23/01/2024 12:29

If I stated my opinion of Zoe Williams I'd get banned. She's an interesting case study though, thinks she's kind and compassionate, but actually completely lacking in either quality, like so many activists. I will never understand how women can shit on other women like this. Never. Blokes I kind of get it, but women like Zoe are beyond my comprehension.

Yep. Agree

RebelliousCow · 23/01/2024 12:42

CrossPurposes · 23/01/2024 12:12

Zoe Williams has an interesting take: https://x.com/zoesqwilliams/status/1749738220282093624?s=20

Idiot!

Joe was interviewed because she was vindicated, as have been an increasingly large number of women.

Zoe cannot have listened much to Woman's Hour or indeed Radio 4 in recent years.

DialSquare · 23/01/2024 12:39

Mollyollydolly · 23/01/2024 12:29

If I stated my opinion of Zoe Williams I'd get banned. She's an interesting case study though, thinks she's kind and compassionate, but actually completely lacking in either quality, like so many activists. I will never understand how women can shit on other women like this. Never. Blokes I kind of get it, but women like Zoe are beyond my comprehension.

Same here. I can't express how much contempt I have for the likes of Zoe.

Mollyollydolly · 23/01/2024 12:29

If I stated my opinion of Zoe Williams I'd get banned. She's an interesting case study though, thinks she's kind and compassionate, but actually completely lacking in either quality, like so many activists. I will never understand how women can shit on other women like this. Never. Blokes I kind of get it, but women like Zoe are beyond my comprehension.

Fenlandia · 23/01/2024 12:29

CrossPurposes · 23/01/2024 12:12

Zoe Williams has an interesting take: https://x.com/zoesqwilliams/status/1749738220282093624?s=20

I can feel the draught from here as the point goes whooshing past Zoe again. Read the bloody judgement and then try to explain why you think it is fine for organisations like the OU and the Guardian to behave like that.

SaffronSpice · 23/01/2024 12:27

Pilgrim Tucker has a case pending with the OU (more gardening needed). That may impact on what they say. Admit they have a widespread problem with discrimination and harassment of those with ‘GC beliefs’ and it might harm their defence for that one.

Of course, they should realise what they have just been told - that they have a widespread problem they need to address.

IhaveanewTVnow · 23/01/2024 12:22

I’ve emailed the BBC. Thank you for the link. Such a fair interview.

WarriorN · 23/01/2024 12:21

HearTheSubGoBoom · 23/01/2024 12:14

That's second tweet from Sonia Sodha describes most of my male friends and co-workers.

That must be awful.

I'm going to be writing to WH later, I'm also going to refer them to Sonia's tweets.

WarriorN · 23/01/2024 12:19

CrossPurposes · 23/01/2024 12:12

Zoe Williams has an interesting take: https://x.com/zoesqwilliams/status/1749738220282093624?s=20

Oh but the replies 😂

She wants balance with empathetic interview about TW 😂

'Poor Steph 🎻'

Though there's a reminder about the one who just centred their staggering penis.

Cyclebabble · 23/01/2024 12:18

The OU is disappointed by the outcome and the stress it has placed on "all concerned". Their view has clearly not changed.

HearTheSubGoBoom · 23/01/2024 12:14

That's second tweet from Sonia Sodha describes most of my male friends and co-workers.

gmgnts · 23/01/2024 12:07

I have e-mailed Woman's Hour to thank them - thanks for the link. Everyone reading this should e-mail or text. It's so important to show the BBC that we are on the side of Jo and Emma.

WarriorN · 23/01/2024 12:02

If Emma can pull off HJ, given she's apparently on a blacklist, she will be massive hero

They gave a good balance with the text from the academic at the end, that was marvellous.

Insipid bullies the lot of them.

Good tweet from Sodha

x.com/soniasodha/status/1749742455988093191?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

Jo Phoenix in Woman’s Hour today (Tuesday)
Mollyollydolly · 23/01/2024 11:40

I've emailed Woman's Hour, thanked them for a great interview.
But also drew comparisons with attitudes at the OU and attitudes that seem to exist at the BBC also which has lead to a lack of impartiality or just ignoring the issues. Drew their attention to the Rape Crisis Edinburgh case too. And added they might find the courage to interview Helen Joyce as well! Always worth doing, even if you feel fobbed off, they read them. The more people contact them the better.

HoneyButterPopcorn · 23/01/2024 11:29

The comment at the end of the woman with the ‘trans kid’ (of course she has) was a bit of a concern.

She works with kids huh? Telling them not to listen to all the nasty people, basically promoting the myth that they are at risk of violence, help them see safe… etc etc etc. yeah. Shouldn’t be near kids.

WarriorN · 23/01/2024 11:26

Jo, you are such a hero. I know this has crushed you and I'm so angry they did that and made you go through this.

I really hope this adds to the growing awareness that they need to get a grip on this institutional capture and misogynistic witch hunting.

WarriorN · 23/01/2024 11:21

So glad Emma has said let's come back to this re prisons. I hope that happens

musicalfrog · 23/01/2024 11:20

Jo, I salute you. This interview brought me to tears.

I'm just in awe of all these incredible women who are strong and brave enough to bring these actions and make it count.

We are all standing on your shoulders. In your debt forever.