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Is Citizengo having a pro JKR petition a good thing, or will it just confirm to some that GC politics are right wing

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IwantToRetire · 21/01/2024 01:21

For anyone who hasn't heard about CitizenGo:

CitizenGO is an ultra-conservative advocacy group founded in Madrid, Spain, in 2013 by the ultra-Catholic and far-right HazteOir organization, a similar Spanish platform that has been dedicated to the fight against "gender ideology" since 2001.

The foundation aims to be "a community of active citizens that seeks to promote the participation of society in politics" and "defend and promote life, family, and liberty." It promotes petitions in 50 countries, mostly defending Christian causes, and those opposing same-sex marriage, abortion, and euthanasia.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CitizenGO

But their politics are quite well known. And it is used by some groups who certainly dont share the politics listed above.

However, does it mean if you sign the petition that you align with the politics of the organiser of the petition, or is it that any acknowledgement of the stand JKR has taken, from any political perspective, should be supported?

Please Note MNHQ! This isn't about linking to a petition but to have a discussion as to whether context outweighs objectives - Thanks Flowers

CitizenGO - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CitizenGO

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DerekFaker · 21/01/2024 12:56

Seasmoke7 · 21/01/2024 12:32

Do you regularly send messages saying "Big love xxx" to people you don't know?

It's absolutely amazing the contortions, bald-faced lies and faux-naivety you lot will employ to deny the obvious connections your movement has to ultra-conservative religious movements and the far right.

You owe me a new irony meter. Mine has just exploded.

fedupandstuck · 21/01/2024 12:36

Oh give over with the hyperbole. You are obviously quite convinced that everyone who disagrees with you is a far right wrong-un. Nothing anyone here can say is likely to dissuade you of your conviction.

Seasmoke7 · 21/01/2024 12:32

PronounssheRa · 21/01/2024 07:08

Are Caroline Farrow and JK 'mates'?

Source?

Do you regularly send messages saying "Big love xxx" to people you don't know?

It's absolutely amazing the contortions, bald-faced lies and faux-naivety you lot will employ to deny the obvious connections your movement has to ultra-conservative religious movements and the far right.

RoyalCorgi · 21/01/2024 12:26

It's not JKR's fault who decides to support her.

I was reminded this weekend of all the nonsense about "right-wing people support gender-critical views, therefore all gender-critical feminists must be right-wing" when I was reading the latest news story about Katharine Birbalsingh.

Birbalsingh is a headteacher with what I regard as very right-wing views, who takes a rigid, uncompromising, disciplinarian approach to education, seemingly designed to stamp down on imagination, creativity, critical thinking - all the stuff I as an old-fashioned lefty think is pretty important.

But Birbalsingh also takes a secular approach to teaching. The school doesn't have a prayer room or religious assemblies, and the canteen only provides vegetarian food, to remove the barriers between different religious groups with different rules about what food they can eat. She says this secular approach enables children to mix well together across cultural boundaries, instead of dividing them.

And now she is being sued by a Muslim pupil for not allowing Muslims to say prayers. And guess what? Although I agree with Birbalsingh about very little, I back her on this.

Does that mean I back her on everything else? Obviously not.

And that's life, isn't it? Sometimes you ally with people on one thing but not on others.

RainWithSunnySpells · 21/01/2024 11:52

'Caroline Farrow, who is one of JK's mates and another prominent GC figure'

So, should I file the above under 'lies,' 'damn lies' or 'purposeful obfuscation and mendacity?'

PronounssheRa · 21/01/2024 07:29

Oh I know the background and the way farrow has been targeted by trans activist and treated by the police is appallingly. She deserves support for that, and yes its possible to support her on that, while disagreeing with many of her views.

sanluca · 21/01/2024 07:24

No they are not. But Caroline has been hounded and bullied by certain transactivists for years, to extremes, and other women like JKR support her fight.

You can still support someone who's life is being destroyed whilst not agreeing with her viewpoints. Caroline still deserves to live in freedom and not be harrassed and threatened.

Crouton19 · 21/01/2024 07:22

Any website can host a petition. It's mostly a data gathering exercise so you can be added to mailing lists. Some of those started on gov.uk petitions site are worthwhile but change.org, 38 degrees etc all pointless IMHO.

PronounssheRa · 21/01/2024 07:08

Seasmoke7 · 21/01/2024 02:39

Caroline Farrow, who is one of JK's mates and another prominent GC figure, works for CitizenGo. So if you're worried that simply signing the petition would support an ultra-conservative organisation, you may want to be aware the connection goes deeper than just a petition.

Are Caroline Farrow and JK 'mates'?

Source?

donquixotedelamancha · 21/01/2024 07:03

Seasmoke7 · 21/01/2024 02:39

Caroline Farrow, who is one of JK's mates and another prominent GC figure, works for CitizenGo. So if you're worried that simply signing the petition would support an ultra-conservative organisation, you may want to be aware the connection goes deeper than just a petition.

Caroline Farrow is not a GC Feminist. I don't think she and Rowling have ever met, let alone are friends.

I found one supportive tweet from Rowling to Farrow. It's perfectly possible to dislike Farrow's politics and still recognise she's been terribly treated by the police.

Seasmoke7 · 21/01/2024 02:39

Caroline Farrow, who is one of JK's mates and another prominent GC figure, works for CitizenGo. So if you're worried that simply signing the petition would support an ultra-conservative organisation, you may want to be aware the connection goes deeper than just a petition.

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