Is Citizengo having a pro JKR petition a good thing, or will it just confirm to some that GC politics are right wing

You are very kind in allowing for the idea that the poster is simply mistaken rather than wilfully attempting to create a bad faith presentation.

I've always felt that the extremes of left and right can be equally woman-hating (and indeed prejudiced in other ways). I believe the key difference is that right-wing misogynists are much more honest about how they feel about woman's role in society.

Personally I always felt less uncomfortable around old-fashioned, often paternalistic sexist men than I did the misogynists who dressed up as feminists and "allies". I knew exactly where I stood with the former, I felt more confident speaking up for myself, and there was often some mutual respect between us even if they espoused old-fashioned ways of thinking.

The latter will put you on a pedestal (at least until you espouse some wrongthink), all the while consuming violent porn and calling you a liar if you take issue with something they've done.

I'm intrigued by the idea that you see a specific petition you agree with, sign it, and suddenly that means you're politically aligned with a position you didn't sign up to, based purely on the presumed politics of the people who run the petition site.
I've signed any number of petitions. Does that mean I suddenly support a Tory government because I've signed ones on the parliament petition site.?
Or am I automatically left wing for signing ones on change.org?
When I sign local paper petitions on local green issues, should I be checking the political alignments of the volunteer who hands it to me?
This is nonsense. Someone signing a petition is signing that petition. That's the only thing it says about them.

It happens often in most countries. Politicians tag on a less popular thing onto a law design that is popular to try and get it through under the radar. If the opposition stops the bill the first party can argue that a popular bill was stopped by the other team, even if the resistance was against the tagged on nonsense they tried to push through.

Most people never read entire laws or addendum's. They rely on the media to talk about it but journalism is dead so...

I too am intrigued by law that encompasses trans youth and abortion.

It’s a sad day when you feel that the choice is ‘barefoot and pregnant’ or ‘gagged and replaced by a man with Gazza boobs’

I think, on balance the conservative, right wing, nutbags are slightly less dangerous than the "women can be replicated by men dressing as creepy sex dolls" nutbags.

I will grant you the balance is fine, what with the woman hating on both sides. But nevertheless a difference can be discerned.

This isn’t a left or right thing. This ain’t American politics ffs.

A gen ago ‘real’ socialists wouldn’t have had any truck with women being demoted to second class citizens. I say this as a kid who was brought up in a family who believed in fairness, equality and society helping those in need and was involved in policy setting.

Now they seem to focus on yammering brats who want gimme gimme gimme.

I'm in the US and I am definitely not 'right wing'. I am GC. The state I live in passed a law last year that merged trans youth issues with abortion access.

The trans activists and woke people in general seem to insist that everyone who does not agree with all their opinions about "social justice" is right wing. And everyone right wing is "evil" or "stupid".

We need to stop playing into their mind games and just let it go.

Yep. It's so bloody tiresome. And predictable.

The trans activists and woke people in general seem to insist that everyone who does not agree with all their opinions about "social justice" is right wing. And everyone right wing is "evil" or "stupid".

We need to stop playing into their mind games and just let it go.

Not only does a complex free society need left, centre and right people to strike a balance but most are not stuck in a box and have some right wing views and a few left and some centre. The world is not black and white.

We are also not one dimensional beings. We all agree and disagree on things with everyone on the planet. That includes people you don't like.

Now so happens that critical queer theory and it's offspring gender ideology are so utterly fucked up and dangerous that it has managed to do the one thing nothing or no one has every achieved before: it has united almost everyone on one issue. And I do mean almost everyone; radfems and MRA's, the religious and the atheists, the left and right, liberals and conservatives, rich and poor, straight and gay, educated and uneducated, etc etc etc

Maybe you don't like it, but we're all on the same team here against gender ideology. So I suggest you all get used to it.

The tide is turning and the last stretch is going to be a real bumpy ride.

I've declared undying love (or words to that effect) to someone I've never met, and know nothing about but tweets cute otter videos and is an ABBA superfan! Does that mean I personally know them and their views and agree with them on everything (I mean I like Abba, but they aren't in my top ten favourite bands)? Or does it just mean that I thought a particular tweett and otter video brightened up my day a bit?

It's all so messed up - many of the conservative Christian right (esp in the US) actually want to ban Harry Potter because it's about witchcraft and magic and therefore dangerously Satanic.

I wouldn't sign a petition on an anti-abortion anti-feminist website, but I might sign one to defend a GC woman (re a trans issue) even if I disagreed with her other views, if it wasn't connected to such a website. Although like a PP I'm sceptical on how much difference petitions make.

I'm totally with you on the first point BB1, but not the second, as I happen to agree with JKR

From twitter - admittedly some years back:

J.K. Rowling@jk_rowling
Dress however you please.
Call yourself whatever you like.
Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you.
Live your best life in peace and security.
But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real?
#IStandWithMaya #ThisIsNotADrill

Actually, I'm curious - which bit of the above view do you disagree with?

If you agree with what JKR is saying and so does an ultra right wing group that doesn't make you ultra right wing - it just means you happen to agree on one specific thing.

I say that as someone who disagrees with JKR. Just because I don't share her views doesn't mean I want to trash anyone who does.

PronounssheRa · Today 13:15

Where is my barefaced lie? I asked for a source.

I suspect strongly that you will still be asking, after having turned several pages of the calendar.

😂

I am definitely convinced of that, and have been for several years.

I am becoming more and more convinced that gender ideology is rooted in being a bit hard of thinking. I think Caroline Farrow is a fairly unlikeable person, ideologically, but I agree with her on one issue. Doesn't make me a right-wing Christian fundie.

I agree with the Labour Party on most of their policies, except the ones about self-ID. I am still lefty even though I disagree fundamentally with the Party on one issue. Dissenting voices on significant issues is how policies change. I choose to stick with Labour because they're the least worst option overall, and push for change from within.

It's entirely possible to agree generally with someone on one thing (for example farrow has been harassed by some particularly unpleasant TRAs) and disagree with them on something else.

And that is the context of the one message I've seen between JKR and CF. Caroline Farrow was talking about harassment by TRAs and JKR responded in solidarity. Very bad faith to present it any other way, so I imagine this poster is simply mistaken.

I don't care anymore. People who have already decided believing in sex and biology is a right wing, fascist conspiracy will continue to do so. They can crack on.

Where is my barefaced lie? I asked for a source.

It's entirely possible to agree generally with someone on one thing (for example farrow has been harassed by some particularly unpleasant TRAs) and disagree with them on something else.

Agreeing on that first point doesn't make someone a far right ultra religious Conservative.

I can't believe this still needs to be explained to people.