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Andrew Miller appeals their sentence

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ScoldsBridle · 19/01/2024 19:43

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-68031537

Their defence claims the fact that they’re transgender means they got a tougher sentence. And they pleaded guilty so should be rewarded with a lesser sentence AND apparently they’re helping to support other transgender inmates in jail.

amy george

Man who abducted girl while dressed as woman bids to cut sentence

Andrew Miller, also known as Amy George, committed the offence while dressed as a woman.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-68031537

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ArabellaScott · 20/01/2024 08:48

This was the Judge. Scotland's most senior, apparently.

'Judge Lord Carloway said: “I was rather disappointed in the judge’s report in this case.”'

Which suggests to me he may well have his sentence reduced.

'A written decision will be issued.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-66864264

Lord Carloway

Rape victim court cases outmoded says top judge

Lord Carloway says courts are still not good enough at dealing with rape victims and children.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-66864264

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 20/01/2024 06:57

Surely the early guilty plea was purely because there was no way he could not be found guilty.

Rightsraptor · 20/01/2024 06:41

More 'living as a woman' nonsense in the DT. The day anyone adequately explains that to me will be ... well, I don't know what it will be, tbh. But I don't think that day could come.
Nobody could have ever thought he was a woman if his photo is at all an accurate image.

I see he's now helping other 'trans' prisoners in the wing they've taken from women. Helping them in what way the DT does not reveal.

medianewbie · 20/01/2024 05:54

Miller claims to 'be in the process of transitioning'. He has been known locally as 'T*** Miller' since High School when he first started stealing women's underwear. He didn't quietly present himself as female, then get on with his life in a positive way, train as a social worker etc. He chose to try to present as 'motherly' to lure a young lass into his car & took her back to his house with an especially constructed secret cell 'room' behind a wardrobe. He planned to 'keep her for a while & then decide what to do next with her'. He is a predator whose only concern is for himself & his alter-ego / 'community'. The judge was correct to call him 'chilling' & 'every parents worst nightmare'.

IcakethereforeIam · 20/01/2024 00:24

It's in the Times too. Sorry, forgot to copy the archive link but if anyone has a share token...?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/andrew-miller-trans-paedophile-seeks-reduction-in-28-year-sentence-hvpj5nh2g

There's a remark from a judge at the very end of the article that I don't understand, it seems to lack context.

I don't recall that his trans identity was given any weight, except he was able to entice the child into his car. TI usually seem to lead to charges falling away.

I'm sure I read at the time he'd constructed a cell hidden behind a wardrobe. That is obvious premeditation and makes me shudder as to what else he had planned for the child.

Andrew Miller: trans paedophile seeks reduction in 28-year sentence

Appeal judges in Edinburgh will consider whether the jail term was ‘excessive’ and put ‘too much weight’ on transgender identity

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/andrew-miller-trans-paedophile-seeks-reduction-in-28-year-sentence-hvpj5nh2g

ArabellaScott · 19/01/2024 22:48

Helleofabore · 19/01/2024 21:35

he absolutely didn’t. And why claim to be damaging how the trans community is perceived? I think that the reality of the stats does that. And his crime is but one.

The worst thing about male violence is it makes men look bad.

I forget which rule of misogyny that is.

JanesLittleGirl · 19/01/2024 22:20

pickledandpuzzled · 19/01/2024 20:17

And he wants to be a social worker or support worker wWhen he gets out.

ERCC would give him a job as a rape councellor in a New York second. He's their kind of people.

Flickersy · 19/01/2024 21:37

ScoldsBridle · 19/01/2024 19:43

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-68031537

Their defence claims the fact that they’re transgender means they got a tougher sentence. And they pleaded guilty so should be rewarded with a lesser sentence AND apparently they’re helping to support other transgender inmates in jail.

That, and the fact that they believe an early guilty plea was not properly taken into account.

Everyone has the right to appeal. I'm not sure he has a very strong case, but we shall see.

Helleofabore · 19/01/2024 21:35

ArabellaScott · 19/01/2024 20:22

'Miller was also said to have expressed concern over how his behaviour would affect the wider trans community.'

That's right. But showed no concern for the girl who was his victim.

he absolutely didn’t. And why claim to be damaging how the trans community is perceived? I think that the reality of the stats does that. And his crime is but one.

ResisterRex · 19/01/2024 21:30

Perhaps he can identify as under 25, and get off with it entirely.

medianewbie · 19/01/2024 21:27

Andrew Miller told the Police who attended that he had got into to bed with his victim as it was a 'Motherly' thing to do. He is STILL hoping to prey on vulnerable women & girls with his plan to be a social worker upon release. He's a very dangerous Man.

Froodwithatowel · 19/01/2024 21:17

SiobhanSharpe · 19/01/2024 20:37

He held the girl captive for over 24 hours and repeatedly sexually assaulted her,

And more than likely would have gone on to kill her if she hadn't saved herself.

'Going to be a social worker'.... no, not a usual future for a registered sex offender. Particularly one lost in fantasy.

ArabellaScott · 19/01/2024 20:51

'The judge described the abduction as "brazen and chilling" and branded Miller's intentions as "wicked and predatory".
He added that Miller being dressed as a woman was an aggravating factor as he doubted that the girl would have got into the car if Miller had presented as a man.'

SiobhanSharpe · 19/01/2024 20:37

He held the girl captive for over 24 hours and repeatedly sexually assaulted her,

Truthlikeness · 19/01/2024 20:22

Again and again we've seen transwomen get lighter sentences than they should

ScoldsBridle · 19/01/2024 20:22

A social worker? Does he?! I suppose it’s just a hop skip and a jump from being a butcher isn’t?! Such deranged self-delusion - please keep him off the streets for as long as possible.

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ArabellaScott · 19/01/2024 20:22

'Miller was also said to have expressed concern over how his behaviour would affect the wider trans community.'

That's right. But showed no concern for the girl who was his victim.

ErrolTheDragon · 19/01/2024 20:20

justgotosleepffs · 19/01/2024 20:11

Furthermore, why are BBC using in slm their headlines the massively airbrushed image presumably from one of his social media accounts which almost certainky looks nothing like him, rather than any number of unedited images from the trial or sentencing?

Actually I think that photo, given there's also a much more accurate one lower down, shows up exactly why his 'transgender identity' was highly relevant to the case - it was his MO for abduction. If he hadn't looked plausibly feminine to the poor child she wouldn't have been deceived into getting into his car.

medianewbie · 19/01/2024 20:19

I'd like his sentence to be INCREASED.
HE is a predator.

pickledandpuzzled · 19/01/2024 20:17

And he wants to be a social worker or support worker wWhen he gets out.

ArabellaScott · 19/01/2024 20:15

I have no words for this man. I hope he stays in jail for as long as is possible.

justgotosleepffs · 19/01/2024 20:11

Furthermore, why are BBC using in slm their headlines the massively airbrushed image presumably from one of his social media accounts which almost certainky looks nothing like him, rather than any number of unedited images from the trial or sentencing?

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