Why are women so complacent re. trans nonsense?

I mean in the sense that the person who was trying to learn more about the issue will not want to come back and engage further if they are lambasted and called names for asking questions or questioning the prevailing narrative.

I imagine the conversation had moved on from this since the last time I checked this thread so going back to catch up now.

The question in the OP was why do more women not participate.

You're right not all women on here, but it's easy to see why being spoken to like that often in here would detract many women.

I don't see other women disagreeing with them? No one seems overly concerned with their view points? I've had one women defend me on here which was lovely.

As I said before, my voice and the voice of my trans partner is typically mocked in here because of course trans isn't real and he's just a woman playing pretend.

That's fine if people believe that buts it's unfortunate because there would be more voices on here if people were less reactive.

And there it is. The closing down of any other view. ...

The only difference between me and others on here is my partner is trans, and I believe being trans is real.

You and your partner have the right to live your lives as you wish. But what do you mean by 'being trans is real'? Do you believe that some people are literally born in the wrong body?

A question for anyone who believes transwomen belong in female single-sex spaces - would other males be excluded, and if so, why?

You were doing quite well until you slipped that 'hysteria' in, Maddy.

There are lots of people with different views on this board. I'm certainly not going to try and speak for someone else. And you can't really take one person's post as speaking for everyone else on here, either. 'women on here' includes you.

People can't change sex. The people you refer to as 'transwomen' are men who claim that they want to be women. They are not any sort of woman. They are not female.

It's not that we want so-called transpeople to disappear, but the male ones should disappear from female-only spaces.

Women can be predators, men, even children.

Yes, but men are far more likely than women to be predators. In the UK men commit over 90% of violent crimes and over 98% of sexual crimes. Check the ONS site if you want evidence. So-called 'transwomen' are male, and commit crimes at the same rate as other men.

Being trans is one part of a person. Not the whole person.

I thought it would be clear by now that it's not being trans which makes so-called 'transwomen' a problem in women-only spaces, it's the fact that they are male.

A lot of women are not over invested in the issue. I'm not. The things that are mentioned on this board are not in my experience and i can't get worked up about. I have trans friends, they're nice people and not typical what I see mentioned in this board

There is a lot of hysteria which I feel detracts from some real issues (same. Sex changing rooms etc) and turns a lot of women off genuine discussion and they either become defensive or disengaged

Really? Because I have offered my voice in support of all of the above but again I have been called homophobic for having a trans partner. A closet lesbian.

So tell me why I am at odds with people on here?

I am in agreement with women only spaces. And yet, somehow I am mocked and my partner mocked despite being on your "side" so to speak.

If trans people are allowed to exist then why would anyone attack my stance? The only difference between me and others on here is my partner is trans, and I believe being trans is real.

You tell me why having a trans partner means I'm singled out and my relationship attacked if trans people are fine by women on here?

@pointbreak77

these are not two opposing statements.

the question below mine was a query on the hypothetical situation.

however, I can now see, if that was your interpretation of the intent of the second post, then you will be likely getting yourself in a muddle more generally about the nature of generalities vs specifics. But that’s a you thing. Not an us thing.

Labeling groups of people never solves anything.

We have to label groups of people all the time so that society can function. In order to provide services, for example, we need to know how many people of each sex in certain age groups there are. How many obese people. How many smokers. How many disabled people. etc

I don't believe a man can become a woman, but I believe Transwomen are Transwomen.

What does that even mean? You are saying you think they are a type of woman? How?

Again, it appears women on here want trans people to disappear which will never happen.

But how have you come to this conclusion? It's just not true.

Nobody wants trans people to 'disappear'. We just don't want males in women's spaces. And we want children treated with evidence based healthcare and taught scientific fact.

Women can be predators, men, even children.

98-99% of predators are male. However said males identify.

Even if every single transwoman was absolutely safe to be around vulnerable women, allowing them into female single-sex spaces is still dangerous -

Predatory men who are not trans would (and do) take advantage. I believe the stats indicate there are more male sexual offenders in the population than transwomen - so a “transwoman” entering a female single-sex space is statistically more likely to be a sex offender than not……

That is in no way a comment on transwomen, just on the impossibility of distinguishing them from bad actors.

I genuinely can’t follow the thought process of anyone who thinks a man can become a woman anymore more than I can follow the thought process of someone who thinks the Earth is flat

Me neither.

I can't follow the thought process of someone who simplifies being trans down to this.

I don't believe a man can become a woman, but I believe Transwomen are Transwomen.

But how does your statement help resolve these issues?

Again, it appears women on here want trans people to disappear which will never happen.

I guess I'm wondering how people see this improving? Do trans people have to no longer exist in order for people to feel safe?

No you can't tell a predator from a non predator based on anything other than they are a predator.

Women can be predators, men, even children.

Labeling groups of people never solves anything.

Some people believe black children in hoodies are dangerous and shoot them.

We could look at Israel and Gaza even in terms of people treated as terrorists because they live in Gaza.

Reducing any group of people down to one characteristic never ends well.

Being trans is one part of a person. Not the whole person.

No.

Blanchard's work referred to evidence on sexual fetish in what would now be called transwomen.

It's contested research. I'm not arguing in support of it. I'm asking if the poster is aware of other research/data/evidence.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3180619/

Because it's exhausting and potentially dangerous. You are bullied and coerced. I was engaging on the topic recently and the attacks you get are quite something. And in real life it's even worse because arguing person to person is more challenging, and there is the chance of being labelled as transphobic and being harassed for it, having your employer contacted.

There are stats that conclude all Transwomen are sexual predators?

And of course, there's the men who suffer from Sudden Onset Prison Gender Disorder -

archive.ph/2022.10.04-232359/www.thetimes.co.uk/article/half-of-scottish-trans-prisoners-changed-gender-after-convictions-pftqbbhg6

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/anger-trans-inmates-revert-males-25840252

But we're not meant to point out the obvious issues with self id.

Read the comment below yours.

We know that statistically men are far far more likely to commit sexual assault and to have fetishes, to be voyeurs and flashers than women. This is one of the main reasons why we have single sex spaces.

As long as men are being allowed to say they are women and enter women's single sex spaces, we are forced to highlight the reasons they should not be there.

It should be enough to say that we have the right to spaces without men, but apparently it is not. Sadly, even when the worst male behaviour is pointed out some women STILL insist on saying 'it's not all transwomen '. Yes, we know. We know it's not all men.

So let's just acknowledge that women have the right to exclude all men from single sex spaces, no matter how nice they are and no matter how they identify and then we'll stop banging on about the worst examples of men's sexual behaviour.

My point is simply that that doesn't make it alright to represent the entire trans female population as predators and fetishists based on the statistics.

Just coming back to this, Lavender. Can you clarify for me - do you mean that it wouldn't be alright to represent this population as predators and fetishists even if the stats demonstrated that as being true?

But my issue is with those who would present that as evidence that the entire trans female population is harmful and dangerous which is untrue.

i don’t think I’ve ever seen the assertion that all are predators on here. And I’ve lurked a loooong time.

the frequently made points are that there is no way to tell who is nice and who is a predator by looking.

AND there is undeniably a higher rate of predatory offending in TW prison populations vs those males in prison who don’t claim a special identity.

which is the cause, and which is the effect is anyone’s guess.

but in the meantime I’m not going to cheerfully collude in the dismantling of safeguarding Just to appease a few. if the nice, kind trans population care about this distinction, maybe they need to help gatekeep. And not just shout at the pesky women who point out the problem.