Why are women so complacent re. trans nonsense?

The landscape has changed completely from what it was 20 plus years ago. Back then we were asked to treat transwomen as if they were a woman. We all knew that was not true, but it was a small act of kindness to use their correct name and pronouns. It is now being demanded that we believe that transwomen are literally women. The definition of a woman is under attack and the fall out and ramifications of that are being swept under the carpet under the banner of 'be kind'. Understanding that sex isn't an attitude, a feeling, a performance, a costume, or body parts repurposed or purchased à la carte and that it can't be changed doesn't make a person hateful, just sane and tethered to reality. Onnce we accept transgender ideology, the “logic” pushes it down a path where we have to reject child safeguarding, evidence-based medicine, biological reality, women’s rights, and LGB rights, in order to remain consistent.

Sorry, but no.

I coach down my local sports club, it's hard enough to attract girls into sports and even harder to retain them. I see how hard these young women train, busting their guts to compete at local, regional and national level and it is infuriating to see many sports governing bodies allow men, with all their physical advantages, to compete against them. Just fuck off.

It’s an absolute luxury belief for people to feel warm, fuzzy, ‘right on’ not like those awful middle aged women over there ‘allied with the far right’.
In my life it’s people who have not actually seen the reality of it or even if they have, it has no effect on them whatsoever so they get to feel all righteous. But at some point they are going to have to look behind the curtain and acknowledge what is actually going on. Or they will all just go very quiet on this issue and move on to something else.

And even if there were studies proving distinct male and female brain categories, I still wouldn’t think that reduces the difference between old-money female and TW to negligible. Male socialisation and puberty spring to mind as being factors that would prevent that.

That’s before you even get into the concepts of self-ID and non-binary identities. They mean holding onto the idea that there is proof out there that puts TWs into the female camp is largely irrelevant.

I was just highlighting the impact on your particular area of expertise so that if you need too, you can push back. You may not need to, hopefully you won’t but just in case

FFS.

I think we need to have an appropriately broad understanding of the harm that TW can do. I'm really struggling with menopause but feel unable to use the support groups because TW are welcomed there if they self identify as experiencing menopause (and some do). That's harm.

Any woman with children faces those children being taught they can pick a gender that will require medication and surgery and may entail sterilisation.

@SallyWD I believe you that those transwomen you mention probably did not have ulterior motives but they showed a disregard for women's needs if they used women's facilities so they are a part of the problem. My OH would never hurt a woman so shall we let him into women's spaces? is it OK for men to self select as not a danger?

Thanks.

Do you take action on everything single thing that concerns you?

I dont have capacity.

It doesnt mean i dont care or think its right. It just means im a human with a limit of time and resources. So i have to be 'complacent' about some things and leave others to lead on those issues.

Probably for most non-white women because they're so used to being a minority

‘The loony left’??

There are no good quality studies which show consistent brain differences between men and women such that they can reasonably be split into two distinct groups. If I'm wrong, please share the peer reviewed, consistent data.

I think it'd be great if you stuck around and offered your views, fwiw.

My (step)niece was largely raised by grandparents, and I'd say the 'complacency' among the fairly elderly women in her life was because they really didn't understand what she was planning on doing to herself. As one grandma put it, 'I thought transboy was just your modern word for lesbian.'

The shock they felt when they realised she had had a double mastectomy at 18 (privately, having accessed family money -- it's complicated) is something I don't much like to recall.

Many 'gender diverse' people ARE marginalised, vulnerable and in need if support. This doesn't mean that safeguarding, fairness, and other people's rights are abandoned.

Yes, that's a really good point. It's not a "most marginalised" competition.

It isn't 'fear', you've been sold a bit of a con trick there.

Read through a few threads on this board and you'll get it. The current court case in itself would be extremely eye opening if you're new to these ideas.

thanks Wait. Hete you go @Spendonsend link to Henrietta’s Twitter
https://x.com/hen10freeman/status/1603022204467351556?s=20
Have a read

the children you support will grow up to be adults with disabilities. They may want same sex carers and thanks to TRA they’ll be told they’re appalling bigots

Many 'gender diverse' people ARE marginalised, vulnerable and in need if support. This doesn't mean that safeguarding, fairness, and other people's rights are abandoned.

OK, everyone's going to pile on me here but I genuinely don't understand the fear of trans women on MN. It's something I see only here - it's not reflected in conversations I have with friends and colleagues.
I think normal men (as in not trans women) are far more of a risk to women than a trans woman. The Mumsnet view of trans women seems to be that they are just men who want to infiltrate female spaces to either be voyeuristic or to assault women or to get ahead in sport or whatever. I think it's actually only a tiny % of trans women who do this.
Most just feel different and want to live as women. There's plenty of evidence to show differences between the male brain and the brain of a trans woman. Surely once you understand these brain differences the whole trans thing makes more sense?
I knew three trans women about 20 - 25 years ago, before the issue became so talked about. One was my university professor. He was a man when he started teaching me but transitioned throughout my course. Another was a colleague, another was a good friend of my DH. In each case I felt perfectly comfortable sharing public toilets with them. The thought of any of them having untoward motives when they used a female bathroom struck me as ludicrous.
I know 99% of people here will disagree with me.

Me too. It feels like the world has lost its mind. Good on Glinner.

Henrietta Freeman. The abuse and vitriol she has received from those determined that she should not be able to request that she receive intimate care from a female carer/health care professional has been utterly shocking.

But then, it's part of a wider pattern. The rape survivor who had her letter, requesting a female examiner for her mammogram, passed around a health trust as an example of 'transphobia'. The active disingenuousness of hospital trusts in respect to 'single sex' hospital wards. The ERCC refusing services (and actively choosing not to refer to Beira's Place) to those who want single sex services. And of course the six words amendment of the Forensic Medical Services Bill.

I believe women have less power than TW and there's no research to dispute that. Bear in mind that a TW can look just like a man (e.g. beard, suit). why would that person suddenly have less power than a woman?

How many of you have ever had a real life negative encounter with a trans person?

It was what brought me here in the first place, thanks. Wondering why all the marketing I'd been fed wasn't matching the reality, and then I found that it really wasn't just me, and the issues weren't a bug, they were a feature of the entire political movement.

Thing is, however sorry you may feel for someone, however 'lovely' they may be, should you remove rights from others to give that 'someone' more? Is it right that some people must go without anything at all so your lovely 'someone' can have their preferred choice of everything?

No. It isn't. Every single actual need could easily be met without harming women or removing resources from them.

And then you have to face the reality that this is an unacceptable option to the politics and proponents of it, because it is not about the need being met at all. It is about the access to women and the removal of women's consent, and you've been conned by clever marketing into enabling and supporting an agenda that you haven't fully realised.

A bit of reading of the current court case will open your eyes if they're not open yet.

Not that it would justify the vitriol, it’s the question I always ask people who are claiming the problem is the people with less power than them, not those with more.

I don't believe MTF trans people as a group have less power than women as a group. If that was the case we would not be in the situation we are now, the fact that many women object to some males being categorised as women would mean something and our feelings wouldn't be met with contempt by many men.

If those men truly treated "trans women" the same they would be as dismissive of them as they are of women, but they don't, so it's very clear that they do actually understand what biological sex is.

One of the effects of the capture of bodies like the CQC Spend is that people with disabilities have been told that they can no longer request a worker of the same sex to support them. There’s a woman with disabilities on Twitter whose written extensively about her experiences of requesting a female carer and was subjected to full TRA pile on (hoping musnetters with better memories than mine will remember her name) for daring to say she wouldn’t want a TW carrying out intimate personal care

and redefining women to mean “adult human female and some men who believe themselves to be women” affects all women the same as if we redefined children to mean “juvenile humans and some adults who believe themselves to be children” which I think you’d agree would be nuts!