Why are women so complacent re. trans nonsense?

FFS that Eresh beat me to it again.

Helen Watts is one. Trying to find the other.

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Katie Alcock and Helen Watts.

fairplayforwomen.com/helen-watts/

www.girlguiding.org.uk/about-us/press-releases/girlguiding-settlement-statement/

Does anyone remember the names of the guide leaders who tried to stand up to GGUK about this?

i wanted to post a link

And is it ok for more naive, uninformed women to do the risk assessment for their "lovely" male friends on all our behalf?

My OH would never hurt a woman so shall we let him into women's spaces? is it OK for men to self select as not a danger?

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I too would be interested in the answer to this

It seems short sighted as an organisational standpoint

quote of the month.

NOW you see why I’m so fucking cross. #lashingsoflemonadesadface

We know that girls benefit from girls only spaces and that it is being male which tends to go hand in hand with behaviours that silence girls so there is no place for a male of any identity in a female organisation as fsr as I'm concerned. There should be some mixed sex options for those who want them but it's revolting for an organisation to pretend to be female only.

Yes, that's the problem with Girl guiding. Rather than acknowledging and dealing with the issue, they have gone for shooting the messenger and denying any difference between girls and transgirls. Chumps.

I said in my original post that separate rooms would need to be provided to manage the risk appropriately and couldn't understand why that was insufficient for the other poster re: safeguarding. I was unclear from the other posters comments that gguk isn't providing this which seems strange because I don't know of another Youth organisation that wouldn't support separate bedrooms in this instance to protect all involved including young people who may use binders and need time without them for example. It seems short sighted as an organisational standpoint.

This. I live life as a female because I have a female body. So I have periods, have grown children in my body and am going through menopause. Males csnt do that. Everything else is stereotypes.

Thanks @Ereshkigalangcleg nailed it.

infact I’d be delighted if all of the children — of ANY gender identity could go on the kind of old fashioned guide camp I used to go on as a child. They were Proper famous five/swallows and Amazons lashings of lemonade type stuff. Bloody glorious.

heck I’d fundraise for that. I might even drag myself out of self imposed exile to help out.

just as long as males are kept separate from females as per alllll the safeguarding.

When my daughter was a teen I knew most of her classmates and therefore knew what actual sex they were. DH didn't. So, I once or twice had to step in with 'DH, if P wants a sleepover with Sam, that's fine because he's female. But Emily is male, so no.'

How do you split the sexes safely if not by sex, Lavender?

Your assumption that because a young person is trans that they must be in some way harmful to the girls in your group is very unfair

how very transphobic..

don’t you even care about those poor vulnerable trans girls who will be falsely accused by the (checks notes) horrible teenage girls they are forced to share a tent with.

i didn’t say it was taking trans kids away that was the issue. it is males in female spaces that gives me the safeguarding heebiejeebies.

im 110% for the trans boys joining. And the demibois. in fact, the entire gender constellation is welcome on my (alas now hypothetical) camp. Just not males.

Please note this post by @Bolleauxxxx @Lavender14

This isn't about "trans" - please stop misrepresenting the beliefs of other women who don't share your ideology.

Your assumption that because a young person is trans that they must be in some way harmful to the girls in your group is very unfair

Nope.

It's fair to the girls not to have to share with male teenagers.

It's unfair to the girls to call them transphobic for not sharing with male teenagers.

she did her own personal risk assessment and decided it was best to leave than to work with a trans female child?

nearly.

i did a personal RA and decided if GGUK expected me to ignore the decades of safeguarding they’d taught me (no males in intimate female spaces) then the world had gone mad and I CBA with an unpaid volunteer role that wasn’t worth that kind of hassle.

as they are living their life as a female child

It's not possible for any male to live life as a female. Female is a word that is based on sex, not gender identity.

People have the right to be naive if they wish. But no adult has the right to inflict the harmful results of their naïveté on children!

I'm a teacher, Lavender14. I do residential trips.

There'll be no mixed sex dorms on my watch.

So I would refuse. & everyone would miss out.

If a male student doesn't want to share with other males for any reason, we can generally find a solution.

The female students are not the solution, & neither is lying to them or their parents.

Ask me to do that, & you'll have to find someone else to run the trip (& you won't...none of my colleagues are that daft either).

Fortunately, I'm overseas & the whole 'trans kids' social contagion never really took off here (& has now largely gone the way of bottle flipping...).

Because they think they benefit from making men feel more important or they’re so down trodden they think the only way to get ahead is to appease men. Usually they’re too intellectually lazy to think, they’re too frightened of independent thought and it’s repercussions they’re happy to accept the outright misogyny.

the same women who would have claimed women shouldn’t have the vote.

They wouldn't be asking to use the service in the first place if they weren't [trans]

Of course not. Because no man or boy has ever taken advantage of lax rules or gleefully jumped through a loophole.

Also, Just for clarity (and the lurkers)

i didn’t say it was taking trans kids away that was the issue. it is males in female spaces that gives me the safeguarding heebiejeebies.

im 110% for the trans boys joining. And the demibois. in fact, the entire gender constellation is welcome on my (alas now hypothetical) camp. Just not males.

not if I am explicitly not allowed to segregate appropriately as per standard safeguarding practice.

@SallyWD Sorry, but safeguarding doesn't work on the principal that most people are nice so it'll probably be ok.