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Another GC employment tribunal. Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #2

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nauticant · 19/01/2024 12:59

Claiming constructive dismissal for GC beliefs.

ERCC CEO is a well known transwoman know for controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

There was live tweeting from twitter.com/tribunaltweets or if Twitter doesn't show the tweets, look at https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
J: Employment Judge McFatridge
RA: Roz Adams, the claimant
NC: Naomi Cunningham, barrister for the claimant
R or ERCC: the Respondent, Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre
DH: David Hay KC, barrister for the respondent
KM: Katy McTernan, ERCC Senior management
MR: Mairi Rosko, ERCC Board Member
MS: Miren Sagues, ERCC Board Member
KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member
AB: ERCC staff member (name redacted)
NCi: Nico Ciubotariu, COO of ERCC
MW: Mridul Wadhwa, CEO of ERCC
BP: Beira's Place

Witnesses:
Nicole Jones (NJ): 18 January 2024
Mairi Rosko (MR): 19 January 2024
[more to follow]

Thread #1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis

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Signalbox · 19/01/2024 17:22

DerekFaker · 19/01/2024 17:14

That account has protected their tweets. What was it about? Do you have a screenshot?

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Another GC employment tribunal. Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #2
Another GC employment tribunal. Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #2
Another GC employment tribunal. Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #2
Another GC employment tribunal. Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #2
Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/01/2024 17:19

Here's the article that MR was actually commenting on:

Macfarlane didn't link it, he just posted a screenshot which cut off the text.

Boiledbeetle · 19/01/2024 17:17

ickky · 19/01/2024 17:06

Thanks @Boiledbeetle & @Chrysanthemum5 I will try it on my phone on Monday.

If you check the email they sent there should be two pdf files attached, one is for computers, the other for tablets and phones I think.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/01/2024 17:17

Already explained who he is, I realise this is a fast moving thread. it's Colin Macfarlane at Stonewall. Rosko's tweet was also to David Paisley who wasn't in the chain so it looks like he retweeted it and Mairi Rosko saw it and responded.

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nauticant · 19/01/2024 17:15

Here's the article that MR was actually commenting on:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/employers-discipline-staff-who-question-trans-rights-2vmjhmfq7

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ickky · 19/01/2024 17:15

There is no way MR didn't know about Forstater. She would be a terrible ally if she didn't know.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/01/2024 17:14

I don't think it "proves" it. I think it suggests that she was.

DerekFaker · 19/01/2024 17:14

Signalbox · 19/01/2024 17:12

This is the thread that MR was responding to. It is not about the MF EAT.
I don't think this proves that MR was lying.

https://twitter.com/Cmacf76/status/1391364830368608257

That account has protected their tweets. What was it about? Do you have a screenshot?

DerekFaker · 19/01/2024 17:12

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/01/2024 17:08

That tweet is prior to the tribunal ruling so may not show Rosko is lying.

This is a fair point, but it shows she was following the case, so it would be odd to not know.

Especially as it made her shake with horror!

Signalbox · 19/01/2024 17:12

This is the thread that MR was responding to. It is not about the MF EAT.
I don't think this proves that MR was lying.

https://twitter.com/Cmacf76/status/1391364830368608257

https://twitter.com/Cmacf76/status/1391364830368608257

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/01/2024 17:10

It's between the court days and the judgment being handed down I think. Macfarlane is referring to the Ann Sinnott judicial review application.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/01/2024 17:08

That tweet is prior to the tribunal ruling so may not show Rosko is lying.

This is a fair point, but it shows she was following the case, so it would be odd to not know.

DerekFaker · 19/01/2024 17:07

DerekFaker · 19/01/2024 17:05

Surely EVERY TRA has heard of Maya Forstater? She's a thorn in their side! High profile ones like India Willoughby and Katy Montgomerie never stop whinging about her.

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It think MR realised she would get caught out on that lie,and tried to cover her arse.

guinnessguzzler · 19/01/2024 17:07

Thanks for the new thread. Just finished catching up on the old one and will get to this tonight. Sounds like there's a lot to catch up on!

ickky · 19/01/2024 17:06

Thanks @Boiledbeetle & @Chrysanthemum5 I will try it on my phone on Monday.

Signalbox · 19/01/2024 17:06

Brefugee · 19/01/2024 17:02

She lied to the tribunal. Are there penalties for that?

If they think that she has lied they may consider that the rest of her evidence is less reliable. She came across as generally evasive anyway. I can't imagine the tribunal will be very impressed.

DerekFaker · 19/01/2024 17:05

Surely EVERY TRA has heard of Maya Forstater? She's a thorn in their side! High profile ones like India Willoughby and Katy Montgomerie never stop whinging about her.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/01/2024 17:05

www.stonewall.org.uk/people/colin-macfarlane

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nauticant · 19/01/2024 17:05

BoreOfWhabylon:

https://twitter.com/RoskoMairi/status/1391645347617906688

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/01/2024 17:04

Do you know to whom MR's tweet was addressed, @DerekFaker ? It doesn't show in the screenshot.

I said upthread. Colin McFarlane, but it looks to have been retweeted by David Paisley.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/01/2024 17:03

Its just struck me! Has the massive interest in women's health and social areas ('sex work', period poverty, endometriosis- eg Steph R), and the push into women's sector prominent roles (are there others apart from MW?) by TW, been done with the aim to use these groups to give the impression that women's organisations support self ID?

Yes and they've admitted it before in meetings which they weren't aware would be made public.

Brefugee · 19/01/2024 17:02

She lied to the tribunal. Are there penalties for that?

BoreOfWhabylon · 19/01/2024 17:02

LipbalmOrKnickers · 19/01/2024 16:10

Excellent work @DerekFaker

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Yes indeed!
Do you know to whom MR's tweet was addressed, @DerekFaker ? It doesn't show in the screenshot.

RoyalCorgi · 19/01/2024 17:02

Am amused at "shaking with horror". It reminds me of that comedian who was "angry crying" because some women had lunch.

Sensitive souls, aren't they.

Boiledbeetle · 19/01/2024 17:01

nauticant · 19/01/2024 16:47

I agree ItsAllGoingToBeFine. It's noteworthy but not that significant. I wrote this at the time of MR's testimony:

Ahh, MR clarified that she was aware of the Forstater case but unfamiliar with the name.

But... You would remember the name of someone who left you shaking with such horror it pushed you to support a cause

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