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Another GC employment tribunal. Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #2

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nauticant · 19/01/2024 12:59

Claiming constructive dismissal for GC beliefs.

ERCC CEO is a well known transwoman know for controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

There was live tweeting from twitter.com/tribunaltweets or if Twitter doesn't show the tweets, look at https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
J: Employment Judge McFatridge
RA: Roz Adams, the claimant
NC: Naomi Cunningham, barrister for the claimant
R or ERCC: the Respondent, Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre
DH: David Hay KC, barrister for the respondent
KM: Katy McTernan, ERCC Senior management
MR: Mairi Rosko, ERCC Board Member
MS: Miren Sagues, ERCC Board Member
KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member
AB: ERCC staff member (name redacted)
NCi: Nico Ciubotariu, COO of ERCC
MW: Mridul Wadhwa, CEO of ERCC
BP: Beira's Place

Witnesses:
Nicole Jones (NJ): 18 January 2024
Mairi Rosko (MR): 19 January 2024
[more to follow]

Thread #1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/01/2024 17:57

Thanks. So it.was.the LGBA case that left her shaking with horror.

It was Ann Sinnott's judicial review. They made a lot out of Ann Sinnott having founded LGBA which I'm not sure is entirely true.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4237456-Ann-Sinnott-of-Authentic-Equity-Alliance-vs-EHRC-Judicial-Review-of-incorrect-Equality-Act-guidance

PronounssheRa · 19/01/2024 17:55

ickky · 19/01/2024 17:49

It all becomes clear.

I'm entirely unsurprised.

ERCC appears to be run primarily to validate the feelings and serve the needs of those working there, rather than provide support to women who have been raped.

It's shameful

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/01/2024 17:52

And yes @Boiledbeetle it does indeed become very clear.

Boiledbeetle · 19/01/2024 17:52

DerekFaker · 19/01/2024 17:48

Thanks. So it.was.the LGBA case that left her shaking with horror. I still find it hard to believe she hadn't heard of Maya Forstater and her case, given that she is mentioned twice in that thread, and given how embedded in TRA twitter she quite clearly is.

I think NC knew exactly what was on MRs twitter.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/01/2024 17:52

My bold

It always comes down to “sex-based rights” and toilet safety. There is no evidence. Sex-based rights create division and toilets should be safe for absolutely everyone. This creation of the toilet predator is all about transphobia and is so disheartening.

https://x.com/roskomairi/status/1363072970114015232?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

Boiledbeetle · 19/01/2024 17:51

ickky · 19/01/2024 17:49

It all becomes clear.

Doesn't it!

DerekFaker · 19/01/2024 17:49

Ffs. Meant to quote @Signalbox there!

ickky · 19/01/2024 17:49

Boiledbeetle · 19/01/2024 17:44

It all becomes clear.

DerekFaker · 19/01/2024 17:48

Thanks. So it.was.the LGBA case that left her shaking with horror. I still find it hard to believe she hadn't heard of Maya Forstater and her case, given that she is mentioned twice in that thread, and given how embedded in TRA twitter she quite clearly is.

SelfPortraitWithHagstone · 19/01/2024 17:45

Am amused at "shaking with horror". It reminds me of that comedian who was "angry crying" because some women had lunch.

Ha ha, I remember that. Didn't #madangrycry trend for a little while?

Boiledbeetle · 19/01/2024 17:44

https://twitter.com/judgejules75/status/1748399505706234159?s=19

This explains a lot.

Another GC employment tribunal. Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #2
PronounssheRa · 19/01/2024 17:44

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/01/2024 17:40

x.com/roskomairi/status/1393875486787489794?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

I could not agree more. They do not speak for me, and I am offended and ashamed every time it is said that they do.

To the unhinged What The Trans podcast account. Can't see what WTT wrote because I'm blocked but it looks like something about GC feminists.

Womens opinions are transphobic, basically

Another GC employment tribunal. Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #2
nauticant · 19/01/2024 17:42

WTT wrote:

Getting pretty tired of “the beliefs of women” being used as a stand in for “the beliefs of gender critical/anti-trans/ transphobic people.”

It’s just a lie that you see in almost every media report on trans issues in the UK

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Madcats · 19/01/2024 17:41

Admittedly I've just been scan reading through here and TT, but that Twitter posts suggests that she was given the role of heading the disciplinary precisely because she understood Stonewall Law.

I'd assumed that she was just a bit dim/naïve.

Hopefully she can be re-examined.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/01/2024 17:40

x.com/roskomairi/status/1393875486787489794?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

I could not agree more. They do not speak for me, and I am offended and ashamed every time it is said that they do.

To the unhinged What The Trans podcast account. Can't see what WTT wrote because I'm blocked but it looks like something about GC feminists.

UtopiaPlanitia · 19/01/2024 17:38

I know why all this has happened but it does shock me at times, throughout the hearing, that they’re all gathered in a court room because a rape crisis centre support worker wanted a way of reassuring women who had been raped that they would be seen by a female support worker. Ideologues got in the way of that fundamental aspect of rape crisis counselling and refuse to admit it. I just have to say it out loud sometimes to retain my sanity.

PronounssheRa · 19/01/2024 17:37

Neither do I, MR is not neutral in anyway.

Another GC employment tribunal. Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #2
ickky · 19/01/2024 17:36

I just tried on my phone, and it works (after much messing about with the address). Will be watching on Monday.

Thanks for the help.

Boiledbeetle · 19/01/2024 17:35

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/01/2024 17:29

I don't remotely feel sorry for Mairi Rosko.

And certainly not after reading those tweets. She very firmly on the twaw side of the fence. Roz never stood a chance!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/01/2024 17:29

I don't remotely feel sorry for Mairi Rosko.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/01/2024 17:28

https://x.com/roskomairi/status/1236255836479070208?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

Thank you. I am staggered that people think Trans rights and women’s rights are different things.

PronounssheRa · 19/01/2024 17:26

ickky · 19/01/2024 17:15

There is no way MR didn't know about Forstater. She would be a terrible ally if she didn't know.

Quite. MR had been performative enough ot her tweet saying an article about mayas case had left her shaking with horror.

I would be agog if someone so troubled by the situation, hadnt kept abreast of how the case unfolded.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/01/2024 17:26

She's a fan of David Paisley so that backs up my theory of why she got Macfarlanes tweet. https://x.com/roskomairi/status/1390567186574495745?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

(I can't read Paisleys tweet, but it looks like MR disapproves of "the debate".

I am constantly astonished that some women say they want equality, and yet can’t understand that this means equality for everyone. That simply isn’t equality. Every day I see the damage this debate does to young trans people, and I flit between dismayed and enraged.

RethinkingLife · 19/01/2024 17:26

I feel very slightly sorry for MR an unpaid volunteer landed with charing a disciplinary panel about sex & gender for an organisation whose CEO is full on TWAW. New to the role and obviously relying on MW for guidance.

I don't.

When you're young and relatively experienced to such senior roles you need to have sufficient insight to ask why you're being asked to take on such a substantial task and flattered as a Key Opinion Leader. The implicit upside is that you start off unpaid and progress up to the boondoggle carousel that we've seen so often. Progressing from one senior post in a voluntary organisation like Stonewall to another.

Never accept such a post without looking for bear traps and speaking to trusted people about whether there's a poisoned chalice somewhere.

Never ever agree to Chair a disciplinary proceeding like this when you're so inexperienced never mind the insufficient support and resources.

You're not being courted as a current or future KOL, you're being primed as cannon fodder and a disposable shield.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/01/2024 17:23

But yes MR was replying to the top tweet in the thread, not any of the others.

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