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Another GC employment tribunal. Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #2

995 replies

nauticant · 19/01/2024 12:59

Claiming constructive dismissal for GC beliefs.

ERCC CEO is a well known transwoman know for controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

There was live tweeting from twitter.com/tribunaltweets or if Twitter doesn't show the tweets, look at https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
J: Employment Judge McFatridge
RA: Roz Adams, the claimant
NC: Naomi Cunningham, barrister for the claimant
R or ERCC: the Respondent, Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre
DH: David Hay KC, barrister for the respondent
KM: Katy McTernan, ERCC Senior management
MR: Mairi Rosko, ERCC Board Member
MS: Miren Sagues, ERCC Board Member
KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member
AB: ERCC staff member (name redacted)
NCi: Nico Ciubotariu, COO of ERCC
MW: Mridul Wadhwa, CEO of ERCC
BP: Beira's Place

Witnesses:
Nicole Jones (NJ): 18 January 2024
Mairi Rosko (MR): 19 January 2024
[more to follow]

Thread #1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis

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Rainbowshit · 20/01/2024 00:49

This is astonishing.

x.com/forwomenscot/status/1748506610178113933?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

Boiledbeetle · 20/01/2024 00:36

Datun · 20/01/2024 00:33

Ooh, not tomorrow.

😁

The Weekend Art GIF
Boiledbeetle · 20/01/2024 00:35

Appalonia · 20/01/2024 00:31

I have time next week and I'd love to be able to watch online. Does anyone have a link please?

Email: [email protected]

Ask for

Public access request RAdam v ERCC 4102236/2023

They'll send you a link and code

BreadInCaptivity · 20/01/2024 00:35

Just caught up.

Thanks to all providing updates and analysis.

Today was certainly interesting.

The focus on protecting indulging staff to the detriment of service users was very clear.

As for MR, the bias was laid bare as was the lack of experience.

The extreme level arrogance that often goes hand in hand with this ideology making worshipers feel they can act in ways that makes them impervious to process, the law and truth was, I feel very evident today.

Datun · 20/01/2024 00:33

Datun · 20/01/2024 00:09

Place marking for more shitshow reportage tomorrow. Thanks Nauticant.

Ooh, not tomorrow.

Appalonia · 20/01/2024 00:31

I have time next week and I'd love to be able to watch online. Does anyone have a link please?

Appalonia · 20/01/2024 00:19

Thanks so much to everyone who has kept us up to date with this jaw dropping case.

pronounsbundlebundle · 20/01/2024 00:16

I really hope MR suffers some consequences from her quite clear perjury

pronounsbundlebundle · 20/01/2024 00:11

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2024 23:49

I think you could start asking questions of the trustees, the charitable status of the organisation (for failing to stay within it's stated charitable aims) and certainly someone should be sacked/resign for the entire debacle if she wins.

But that's still theoretical and it's entirely possible that the ruling will go the other way. Which would be a travesty purely because of the hypocrisy/lack of consistency and how it would create an abject inability to safeguard/ whistleblow in future.

Absolutely - perfect summary.

pronounsbundlebundle · 20/01/2024 00:09

It was entirely inappropriate that MR was involved with the disciplinary process given her obvious and clearly declared (on twitter) bias.

If you have a conflict of interest as a trustee you are supposed to declare it - MR has not declared her conflict of interest.

The legality of the trustees' behaviour should be looked at.

Datun · 20/01/2024 00:09

Place marking for more shitshow reportage tomorrow. Thanks Nauticant.

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2024 23:49

stealtheatingtunnocks · 19/01/2024 23:04

What happens if/when Roz wins? Does there need to be a grown up look at how MW has been running the RCC?

I think you could start asking questions of the trustees, the charitable status of the organisation (for failing to stay within it's stated charitable aims) and certainly someone should be sacked/resign for the entire debacle if she wins.

But that's still theoretical and it's entirely possible that the ruling will go the other way. Which would be a travesty purely because of the hypocrisy/lack of consistency and how it would create an abject inability to safeguard/ whistleblow in future.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 19/01/2024 23:04

What happens if/when Roz wins? Does there need to be a grown up look at how MW has been running the RCC?

Waitwhat23 · 19/01/2024 23:00

Have just caught up with both threads.

God, AB sounds intensely tedious. Sounds like the kind of colleague who 'says it as I see it' while being ridiculously quick to take offence at any perceived slight. The kind of colleague who'll cc your boss into every email interaction. Or hide their fucking cup/draw sharpie lines on the sugar jar.

ERCC seems to have taken their purpose to be a hotbed of gender ideology rather what they are supposed to be, which is a provider of rape crisis services.

Thanks as always to everyone who contributes on these threads. The TRA's tend to avoid these type of threads (choosing instead to haunt the pronoun/drag/email signature ones) because the idiocy of what they are defending is so clearly laid out. I never thought I would find ET's so fascinating!

JanesLittleGirl · 19/01/2024 22:12

I get the impression that ERCC is an organisation that has managed to forget its purpose. It has completely failed to put the needs of its service users front and centre and rather directs its concerns to the wants of its employees.

Imagine contacting ERCC and being told that your counsellor is called 'Graham' or 'David'? How could you possibly move forward with ERCC?

Winnading · 19/01/2024 21:54

DerekFaker · 19/01/2024 16:09

MR was indeed lying re the Forstater case - yes I know, I'm as shocked as you are...

Oooohhhh. Anyone told the other side this.

Am actually in awe that anyone could lie so blatantly.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/01/2024 21:46

It's like being eviscerated on cross examination by your nan.

I wouldn't want to have been cross examined by either of my nans Grin

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2024 21:44

Why would a TRA mention it?

They don't pay attention to anything longer than a tweet from their fav follow.

They aren't engaged enough on the subject to hold an in dept conversation beyond 'bigot! You are being transphobic you hateful people. You want to end my existence therefore I'm going to get upset and strop off into a corner. Or I'm going to beat you into submission using my power of authority over you in whatever way Stonewall says is fine.'

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/01/2024 21:44

I think the TRAs are ignoring in the hope no one covers it in the press. I think there's going to be a Scottish article tomorrow though.

x.com/dalgetysusan/status/1748366532189520348?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/01/2024 21:38

Not that I've seen, and nothing on tra Reddit, either. Odd.

Just combed Reddit, and did yesterday and the only reference I've found via search in the last few days is a conservative American article posted in r/conservative

No TRA mentions that I can find.

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2024 21:36

HellonHeels · 19/01/2024 21:24

What surprises me is that she didn't lock down her tweets ahead of this case

You'd have to be self aware enough of how much you are going to get your arse handed to you for being a monumental idiot to do that.

You have to pity the poor kid involved with a parent who has this level of utter lack of critical thought and awareness going on.

They didn't stand a chance.

All of this is about validating the situation with the kid. Not what's in the best interests of their child. It's got fuck all to do with considering the needs of women who have been raped. Or the staff at the rape charity.

Hepwo · 19/01/2024 21:26

Horrible people. I'm so glad Beira's Place is there to expose this nasty man and his silly acolytes.

He obviously couldn't give a shit about UK employment law and process and is so stupid he thinks no one else does and can't see through his piss poor bodging.

HellonHeels · 19/01/2024 21:24

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2024 20:51

Shocked and shaking with horror but too fucking lazy / stupid to find out what they were actually shocked and shaking in horror about.

What surprises me is that she didn't lock down her tweets ahead of this case

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2024 21:04

You can't reason with a religious fundamentalist.

RedToothBrush · 19/01/2024 20:51

Shocked and shaking with horror but too fucking lazy / stupid to find out what they were actually shocked and shaking in horror about.

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