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Another GC employment tribunal. Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #2

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nauticant · 19/01/2024 12:59

Claiming constructive dismissal for GC beliefs.

ERCC CEO is a well known transwoman know for controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

There was live tweeting from twitter.com/tribunaltweets or if Twitter doesn't show the tweets, look at https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
J: Employment Judge McFatridge
RA: Roz Adams, the claimant
NC: Naomi Cunningham, barrister for the claimant
R or ERCC: the Respondent, Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre
DH: David Hay KC, barrister for the respondent
KM: Katy McTernan, ERCC Senior management
MR: Mairi Rosko, ERCC Board Member
MS: Miren Sagues, ERCC Board Member
KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member
AB: ERCC staff member (name redacted)
NCi: Nico Ciubotariu, COO of ERCC
MW: Mridul Wadhwa, CEO of ERCC
BP: Beira's Place

Witnesses:
Nicole Jones (NJ): 18 January 2024
Mairi Rosko (MR): 19 January 2024
[more to follow]

Thread #1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis

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Mmmnotsure · 22/01/2024 12:35

DH: you were a notetaker at a meeting and interviewed yourself at some point. Who asked you to take notes.

KT: MW. Nico also involved.

DH: Were you involved in starting investigation.

KT No - that's Nico's area

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 12:35

ickky · 22/01/2024 12:35

Is this witness Roz's line manager?

I think so.

Poinsettiasarevile · 22/01/2024 12:35

Note to you all, if you are ever asked to get involved in a disciplinary process, keep your own contemporary notes and ensure you ask for training if you havent had it.

ickky · 22/01/2024 12:35

Is this witness Roz's line manager?

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nauticant · 22/01/2024 12:34

Unsurprisingly KM has subsequently had training in grievance and disciplinary management.

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Mmmnotsure · 22/01/2024 12:34

DH : your involvement in disci interviews concerning RA. What exp at that point did you have in dealing with disc issues.

KT: No active exp in managing disc but had training in previous employment re disc and grievance. No training within ERCC at that point. Have had training since.

Appalonia · 22/01/2024 12:33

No experience in managing disciplinary matters.

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 12:33

At that point

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 12:33

On to her experience of disciplinary procedures - she doesn't have any particular training within ERCC

Poinsettiasarevile · 22/01/2024 12:32

What, the creche that is their Board

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 12:32

Something about there would be minutes of the documents being passed

ickky · 22/01/2024 12:32

KT: we're in process of updating our policies atm. [bet they are] 😅

I said exactly the same thing.

Mmmnotsure · 22/01/2024 12:31

The mysterious table again. KT can't remember seeing it.

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 12:31

Are they on about the table that no one else had seen again

Mmmnotsure · 22/01/2024 12:31

DH - c data protection policy and how is KT able to ascertain date of policy passed.

KT says June 2018. No substantial revision since.

KT: we're in process of updating our policies atm. [bet they are]

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 12:30

SirChenjins · 22/01/2024 12:29

They don’t employ men and service users can request a different counsellor Confused Does this witness fully understand why she’s there and what the case is about?

You do have to wonder!

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 12:30

Poinsettiasarevile · 22/01/2024 12:28

Jesus this is slow

This is faster than the other day was when he was questioning RA!

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nauticant · 22/01/2024 12:29

The barrister leading the client through their evidence is slow. The fireworks start in cross-examination.

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SirChenjins · 22/01/2024 12:29

They don’t employ men and service users can request a different counsellor Confused Does this witness fully understand why she’s there and what the case is about?

Poinsettiasarevile · 22/01/2024 12:28

Jesus this is slow

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 12:28

So, they don't see MW as a man but had to work out whether a woman who decided she was non binary could still be employed?

Fuck me!

ickky · 22/01/2024 12:28

For a SINGLE sex service, I would have thought that it would be pretty important to share the sex of their support worker.

Appalonia · 22/01/2024 12:27

This is why language matters as they are employing a man!

BoreOfWhabylon · 22/01/2024 12:27

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 12:26

Did she just say they don't employ men??

I'm looking forward to NC addressing that one!

Boiledbeetle · 22/01/2024 12:27

nauticant · 22/01/2024 12:17

As far as I'm aware this witness is Katy McTernan (KM). Not KT.

It is as she just mentioned KT