Communication on new building - room available for 'chest feeding'

@Sizzlysausage i haven’t RTFT but please can I give you my rant.

Breast and breastfeeding are both gender neutral words. All human beings are born with breast tissue and nipples and the potential to lactate.
All human beings can and do get breast cancer, and some sadly die. - yes Men die of breast cancer..

Why is using a gender neutral word that accurately describes the act of lactation not considered appropriate?

I think the Luggage is perfectly happy feeding in public!

Sing it, Betty.

Chest feeding is a thing in religion. Lots of symbolism about the pelican ripping open her chest to feed her hungry chicks blood. Ultimate sacrifice of offering your flesh. There are lots of statues and crests with the chest feeder.

Both human males and human females have breasts. It’s never chest feeding when you are producing milk to feed young.

You're a poster calling yourself 'DadJoke', on the 'Feminism and Women's Rights' section of a website called 'Mumsnet', and you are calling women ignorant on the subject of breastfeeding.

Unbelievable. Away and talk to Mika.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12258633/Trans-activist-posts-image-breastfeeding-child.html

Just because you don't understand or like it, doesn't mean it's not the preferred term for most trans men. You really don't need me to point you at articles written by trans men - you can do that yourself. And the term breastfeeding is already included.

TRA translator:

You don't understand it, you are so dumb
You need to educate yourself, you are so dumb
You are whiny and hysterical and should just shut up

Right up there with 'if only you knew these nice trans people'

Still ignoring the reason why women find the term chestfeeding offensive as well as factually incorrect.

it is very clear which side you are on, Dadjoke, and as Datun said, it is not the side of women.

But way to go to assume it is about transgender people. Again.

Just to clarify, the reason women find it offensive have nothing to do with transgender people. So including chestfeeding because some imaginary transman might find breastfeeding offensive means pissing women off who find chestfeeding offensive for a reason that has nothing to do with transmen or transwomen.

This is about trans men.

Just because you don't understand or like it, doesn't mean it's not the preferred term for most trans men. You really don't need me to point you at articles written by trans men - you can do that yourself. And the term breastfeeding is already included.

How does including a term which trans men prefer "insult you?"

You don't feed with your chest, @DadJoke , but your breasts. You know, the ones that get hypersexualized by men so much that you cannot even breastfeed in public covered up because men (and some women) go yuch. Suggesting to call breastfeeding anything else than breastfeeding is so offensive, it will never stop that sexualised image breasts have. That is why I object to this labelling.

But way to go to assume it is about transgender people. Again.

Ugh. The phrase "chest feeding" makes me feel queasy. I instantly and involuntarily picture someone coughing lumps of yellow phlegm into a baby's mouth 🤢

Oh dear. I thought when I saw ‘chest feeding’ that it was a place where people fed their chests….rather like the Luggage.

Though of course, I now realise that it is part of the defeminisation of motherhood, so is jolly important and must be promoted at all times.

Is it it exclusionary to exclude people who want to exclude others now?

How on earth is it exclusionary? If they'd just said chest feeders, you might have a point but they said breast as well, you've been included, you just don't want anyone else to be.

Your argument is that accomodating trans men's preferred terminology doesn't benefit women? You think trans men are women, so that doesn't make any sense at all, even in your own terms. You don't have to "accept it as a concept." It's not for you. Women who breastfeed are included. Trans men who chestfeed are included - and you want to exclude them. I can only guess that you have no friends who are trans men or AFAB non-binary, or there wouldn't be such as lack of compassion.

I would either ask for it to be called breast/chest feeding room or ask them to send an anonymous survey to each staff member to ask them what they want it to be called and go with the majority

But what about people who identify as wardrobes?

You could ask if it includes adult baby feeding as your husband is an infantilist

Well yes, @Datun . It's so noticeable that the areas where transactivists seem most eager is anything that erodes the rights and language of women, but much less often anything to the detriment of men.

I don't understand the issue with the word breast for trans men and non binary females. I mean, men can get breast cancer so the whole thing makes no sense.

I mean, dad joke pushing it as a concept that we should all accept, should tell everyone what they need to know.

It certainly won't be for the benefit of women. Even those who don't identify as such.

I'm not so sure. Men who identify as women need to separate women from their specific anatomy, in order that they can claim womanhood isn't a function of said anatomy.

If being a woman isn't connected to having breasts to breastfeed your baby, then any man can claim to be one.

I believe that women who identify as men are used to push the concept.

That's not to say some of them won't have dysphoria around their breasts, but I don't believe they are the force behind it.

Partly because who the fuck listens to women? Especially such a tiny amount.

How does including a term which trans men prefer "insult you?"

@Helleofabore trans women would say breast feeding - chest feeding is very specifically for trans men, so this issue has absolutely nothing to do with this sign.

Just because people "don't understand" why trans men would want to use chest feeding instead of breast feeding, doesn't mean that the sign can't be inclusive. Non-transgender woman who prefer the term breast feeding are included, first.