Communication on new building - room available for 'chest feeding'

Is what everyone employed there should be asking.

to go back to the original question,
presumably there are people on the campus whose first language is not English?
I think, for them especially, clarity is essential, and neologisms should be avoided, especially if they may be more likely to prefer a single sex and private space to feed their babies. So breastfeeding is the appropriate term.

O f g s, men have breasts so trans men can call them breasts.

I know someone who married a research scientist and he took some paternity leave when baby was 6 months so his wife could go back to work. He brought their baby to her at work be breast fed every 3-4 hours, even when she was lecturing and touring. She fed at work for the full year while working (research in the field of nutrition!) so this would have been very necessary.

Though I could also imagine mum not giving too fucks about where she bf.

Have to say I had some positioning issues with both of my children and would need to go somewhere quiet to feed so I could listen for clicks, which meant not the best latch.

Also my first wouldn't feed if there were too many distractions. So I needed a quiet boring place. Still like that now with his food

I would raise an objection that as women, you need a women only space for breastfeeding and that you feel that is your right. You would like safe female only space to feed your child. They are welcome to offer a separate space to chest feeders 🙄 Just like they offer single sex toilets!

Although I just fed wherever, regardless, could give too hoots who it offended. That's my right as a women. So I'd probably sit outside the chest feeding room on principle. Maybe with a sign saying I can actually feed real milk to this baby Female and proud!

How can anyone who has got pregnant and birthed a baby declare themselves not a woman? And why should everyone pretzel themselves to accommodate their tantrum.

tough titty, as my mum used to say.

Oh good, there are two people on the thread who can finally answer the question I've been putting for years and years: how is it identifying and living as a man to go through a pregnancy, give birth and then breastfeed a baby?

Not a single man on the planet has ever had these experiences. Not a single male mammal, actually. Only female mammals can do these things. Being a female mammal means having a body organised around the production of large gametes and in the years of sexual maturity having a reproductive system capable of gestation and lactation, if everything is working normally. That's all it means. It doesn't mean feeling feminine or conforming to the stereotypes associated with being female.

So how is it possible to be 'living as a man' while using your female reproductive system to have a child? What does that phrase mean?

Anyway, erasing and ignoring the man (for a change)... Give it 10 years when the transaliens turn up and demand all transgender people change it to "thorax feeding." 🤷‍♀️ In fact OP maybe you need to write to the uni now and warn them about this. Their signs aren't inclusive enough for future potential transaliens.

For me the ongoing, much deeper insult in all this is that our own embodied identities as based on our sex and so our ability to fight sex-based oppression are erased when all terms are repurposed

Very well put. Of course some people are either oblivious to or don't give a shit about this.

For me the ongoing, much deeper insult in all this is that our own embodied identities as based on our sex and so our ability to fight sex-based oppression are erased when all terms are repurposed on the basis of the desires of transgender activists so that we can no longer properly even address the many horrible problems women and girls face in this world.

Because those names themselves have been repurposed so that the category 'women and girls' is now a mixed sex one and all the terminology we could use in the past is now contested. Even 'breast' is no longer linked to the way mammals feed their young.

How does including a term which trans men prefer "insult you?"

How does including a term which women prefer "insult trans men?"

As ever, it is only one group that are expected to bend over backwards to be inclusive.

What percentage of female people who need to feed their babies identify as trans men or as nonbinary? Given that those who have had 'top surgery' can't breastfeed, the actual percentage must be very small indeed, much smaller than the percentage identifying into those categories.

@Nellodee Damnit I failed my perception roll. 🤣

And respect to other posters for not losing their shit with a wandering bloke....

Well there be one of these in there?

There's an old Christian parable around the idea of a dove or some other bird pecking at its own chest to feed its chicks with blood. I can't help thinking of that when I see the term 'chest feeding.'

But isn't it interesting how some groups are allowed to redefine language which triggers them, even when the changes end up giving us terms which are incorrect or almost like Victorian euphemisms? Other groups don't have that same power.

For instance, PTSD sufferers are not allowed to rename words which trigger them everywhere where they might go. You could argue that the group is tiny, but then is the group which insists on terms such as 'top surgery' or 'chestfeeding.'

I believe this is because the group negatively affected here consists of women.

Sorry by calling me ignorant are you now saying you didn't say this that I've copied and pasted from your first post?

So, a breast feeding room. To be inclusive to trans men, it also refers to chest feeding. It has nothing to do with trans women.

You've said here that a breastfeeding room has nothing to do with transwomen. I corrected you.

And are you now saying transwomen don't push for equality for transmen? If they're not using the vocabulary they are pushing for, I mean? If they actually said that, isn't that quite transphobic and uninclusive of them by their own standards?

Also, do you speak for all of them by consensus or were you elected spokesperson for a specific sect of trans people? Just making sure I get my facts right.

I realise that certain minorities might be invisible or imaginary to you, but they exist and should be included. Your wish to exclude trans men has to be balanced against their desire to be included. You have been included. They should be, too.

Oh do bugger off.

I'm not desperate to be outraged. I'd much rather not be. But this utter wankery that involves reconstructing the English language to pander to a tiny minority of people who want us all to run around after them sends my blood pressure through the fucking roof.

Women fought hard to get breastfeeding socially accepted (I was one of them, told to go and feed my firstborn in the fucking bogs). And that is what it is. Breastfeeding.

Sorry but this also excludes the adult babies surely?

Thorax: The area of the body that is located between the abdomen and the neck. Within the thorax are the lungs, the heart, and the first section of the aorta. Also known as chest.

Your argument is that accomodating trans men's preferred terminology doesn't benefit women?

Wrong straightaway, I can't even be arsed to read the rest.

As I said, I don't believe it is women's preferred terminology, it's men's.

As an exclusively male serving ideology, the whole point is to separate the concept of women from their anatomical roles and language.

Using women who identify as men is just another way you're, you know, using women.

But, it's really quite useful for you to show everybody quite how determined you are. Post after post, in fact. All trying to shame feminists for not taking into account other women.

Do you really imagine that everyone believes that you're suddenly interested in the plight of women?

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Actual genius! 👏😂

non-transgender woman? You mean woman? Right?
Do you ever get dizzy from twisting in circles so fast?

Why is using a gender neutral word that accurately describes the act of lactation not considered appropriate?

Maybe because for some, overturning all the norms that most Western cultures have adhered to for a century or so, like the privacy of women's spaces, or the fact that overt sexuality should not be rammed down the throats of primary-school aged kids, is the whole objective.