Communication on new building - room available for 'chest feeding'

We’re not ‘anti trans’.

I already said upthread - this is virtually the only place we’re even ALLOWED to talk another the women’s side of things.

We’re not ‘anti trans’. We’re pro women.

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I'm not anti-trans. I'm anti-stupidity, and pro-women. Are you?

Yes several people on the anti-trans subforum of Mumsnet disagree with me. Can we extrapolate that?

So in other words, trans activism in a nutshell. “We don’t need to worry about stuff that never happens!”

But logically though, why one false term over another? Why not “unicorn feeding” or “pixie dust feeding”? So your logic is it’s ok to have falsehoods on signs because enough people like the false word? So that can be applied to anything, right?

I said that the word being there, for the benefit of people who do use that word, is fine.

And almost all the women on this thread, many of whom have breastfed, most of whom have breasts, on a site largely populated by mothers, disagree with you.

Just in case that wasn't clear.

Yes I do take issue with it, because nobody knows if that's true or not.

What if enough people used the word "pectoralfeeding" for themselves, that somebody building a breastfeeding room thought it a good idea to put that word on the door too? In that fictional universe it's a known term that some people use, so why not?
In THIS universe, it's not going on a sign because nobody uses that word. So we don't need to worry about it.

Seeing a word on a door and accepting its presence is not the same as using the word yourself. I never said anyone needs to use the word "chestfeeding". I said that the word being there, for the benefit of people who do use that word, is fine.

I wouldn’t care that much if a woman described it about herself. I’d think she would need serious help of course.

But I would care if someone wanted to put “pectoral feeding” on an official sign. Why should chest feeding be on an official sign and not pectoral feeding, by your rules?

Well, you’re taking issue with the idea that the majority have an issue with it, so…?

I'm not the one who's made claims about what the vast majority of women think.

And neither can you.

I suppose the question really is, why do YOU want to police language? The actual breastfeeding people have told you they find that particular term offensive, but you are policing their opinions and feelings by telling them they have to tolerate the offensive words just in case one imaginary person may possibly be offended.

'Baby-feeding room' would be better. It puts the needs of the child first.

Therefore you can't say the vast majority of women find the word offensive, can you. Because all data would be inaccurate.

If a woman chose to refer to her own breastfeeding as "pectoral feeding" I would find it weird but I wouldn't get angry or think she should stop calling it that. Why would it be any of my business? You say you want to "police truth and accuracy" but you want to police it through language.

Your pectoral muscles are on your chest too. We could have pectoral feeding if that’s the qualifier. Or hair. Some trans men have hair on their chests. Hair feeding. All fair, according to the rules of “who gives a fuck about accuracy”.

Well, we’re not allowed - outside MN - to say we’re not OK with it, so whatever data you have is incorrect.

I want to police truth and accuracy, not language.

You said we can't get meaningful data because women are silenced on the issue. The implication being that if a women says she's okay with it, you can't trust that opinion.

Well it's still your chest, it's not like it's a lie. Your breasts are on your chest. You hold a baby to your chest when you feed them so if you want to use that word when you talk about it, why not? Why do you want to police language?

I don’t know how many times it needs to be said but chest feeding does not exist. It’s not about “replacing words” it’s about how some people think it’s ok to describe reality with made up things. Why chest feeding? Other suggestions:

Thorax feeding
Costochondral wall feeding
Organs Which Must Not Be Named feeding

Why not one of these equally bonkers names? What made “chest feeding” the best falsity?

it's very convenient that if people agree with you, they agree with you. But also that if they don't agree with you, they agree with you really but are being silenced. Therefore everyone agrees with you. Absolutely cast-iron, that.

Bizarre extrapolation there - I literally said we don’t have the data.

But you’re fine with it, so we should assume everyone is. Cast-iron, that.

How exactly are you measuring it?

@worriedrn thats awful. I am so sorry you are being treated like this.

@Tracetheline most women don't use the word "chestfeeding" for themselves, no. It's not a term that's used by many people. But there is a difference between not wanting "breastfeeding" to be replaced with "chestfeeding", and being offended by some people using the term for themselves. When a small number of people start using a new word for something, it's very Daily Mail-esque to leap straight to "THEY'RE TRYING TO REPLACE OUR WORD" which is rarely what is really happening, and it's not happening here.

@BayCityCoaster it's very convenient that if people agree with you, they agree with you. But also that if they don't agree with you, they agree with you really but are being silenced. Therefore everyone agrees with you. Absolutely cast-iron, that.

@2Old2Tango well that's a nasty thing to say. Yeah they probably would be distressed by the term breast cancer and you sound a bit gloaty about that. Maybe the term "chest cancer" SHOULD be used for men.

@ErrolTheDragon no it hasn't persuaded me that it's the vast majority of women. It's persuaded me that half a dozen women on this thread have that opinion. I read what @worriedrn said and it sounds like some ridiculous and upsetting stuff she's been told by various professionals but I really don't see how it's directly relevant to the thread.

I am so over mental health proessionals telling me I can identify out of cancer (BRCA1 genetic - only affects the females in our family) and then some want to assume that because I have had my breasts removed due to cancer I must now be non-binary. School told my son that it might be possible for his mum to identify out of cancer when he asked

What?! that's insane and inane.
Surely you must have been particularly unlucky with the people you're having to deal with? But even if these are isolated incidents they're seriously problematic.

So having read what @worriedrn and other women have said, wtf would make you think it's not the vast majority of women who things using the phrase 'chest feeding' is really not a good idea for all sorts of reasons, @Dadjoke2 ?