Jameela Jamil on Woman's Hour (today 17/1) Reverse ferret ahoy?

😂 😂 😂

https://twitter.com/BBCWomansHour/status/1747974621444354332

When you make shit up you weaken the very real arguments women have for not wanting people hassling them or protesting at abortion clinics.

I was going to give her the benefit of the doubt and say she means well, maybe she's had some personal growth - then I was reminded of her pathological lying.

So I doubt there is any wholesome reason for this: she's likely just trying to improve her reputation because she can see she's become synonymous with woke lunacy. But having been on the receiving end of such outrage herself, she can't rely on the woke left being her cheerleaders any more. So she's trying to appeal to a more moderate position and distance herself from total batshit wokery.

I listened to this and warmed to Jameela. Although the rosary bead thing...eeek...Emma B sounded incredulous in her follow up questions.

And, I believe, some 'far away'.

And mention of her non bino status, killer bees or loads of girls at her school being given puberty blockers for period pains?

the woman is just a windsock.

Interesting to ctrl+f 'trans' and see which post in this thread is the first to mention the word.

While everyone else is more interested in talking about the amazing bee escapade...

My god my bullshit alarm was like a siren in that interview. Emma was absolutely brilliant with her. The racist rosary bead thrower 🤔!

She lies so much you could hear her changing her story as she was speaking, it reminded me so much of Amber Heard when she was insisting that the word pledge and donate were synonymous and the barrister was having none of it.

Emma Barnett rather cleverly needled her on particular points, then left JJ to do her own PR for the rest.

It’s as though JJ wants to have had direct personal experience of anorexia, near death, being queer, cancer, chronic illness, abortion. She wants to be a walking Venn diagram of the hot topics of the day. She must be exhausting to know. Like a child who wants to be the centre of attention at all times.

It did make me chuckle when Mark Ronson publicly called her out on the lie about the killer bees!

I don’t have a clue who JJ is, but do think there’s some merit in the idea of deleting past social media posts.

We all grow and change, perhaps we are giving others too much power to be able to access what we thought, for a moment, ten years ago?

Graphic that I think of every time a JJ story is mentioned.

I agree with golden bridges, especially if that's how reality gets recognised universally again...but some of the people crossing will have been so absolutely unhinged and horrible that it can take a moment of calm to swallow that

I don't suppose Emma Barnett had anything to do with that tweet. I bet the twenty something intern who does the social media for WH just luffs JJ.

Emma Barnett is a proper journalist and in the actual interview you can hear her bullshit detector go off as she pins JJ down on exactly where and when this happened.

Thank you WhereYouLeftIt for your transcript of the bit about opinions and identity which had also rather passed me by. Good point.

I haven't listened (don't intend to) and didn't know she was on until I saw a WH tweet about how she'd been pelted with rosary beads outside an abortion clinic and I was not one bit surprised to find that this unlikely drama had 'happened' to her.

Me three! Not only was she pelted with rosary beads as she was carried in, but she stopped to ask the rosary pelter if they would adopt the child she was carrying, to which they answered 'no', apparently.

Presumably this conversation happened whilst she was being carried, I hope whoever carried her had strong arms.

My imagination really doesn't stretch to the idea I'd be composed enough to challenge someone on their political position on abortion when they're literally throwing things at me on my way to get an abortion, but maybe she's just incredibly composed in all situations. She certainly oozes self confidence.

I think her body positivity stuff has been pretty, well, positive. She's not a rake, as far as I've noticed, but is a healthy shape, albeit quite tall.

The misgendering thing was probably a bit of an eye-opener, but there are worse media types than her and I think she generally does mean well.

I heard the interview too.

She did say one interesting thing, regarding 'opinions' and 'identity'.

"... I think people are more drawn to fallibility than we realise. I think it's far more relatable than a bunch of perfect demigods that are presented as our celebrities. I think it's far more important to have people who are willing to say 'Oh you know what actually, upon new information I have changed my opinion'. The problem with our generation, I think that we are seeing is that we have; you know, I grew up where you had your identity, and then you had your opinion. And your identity was relatively fixed but not completely and your opinion was seen as relatively transient - in fact I'd say pretty transient. Now, it seems as though because of this hellhole of social media, your opinion and your identity have become so deeply intertwined, that now when someone criticises your opinion you feel as though they're attacking your entire identity."

... your opinion and your identity have become so deeply intertwined ...
That's what I found interesting. Not only is she saying you can change your opinion, but also that changing your opinion doesn't impact your identity.

Right now the whole identity politics of the left doesn't allow for plurality of opinions. You must be pro-trans, pro-Palestinian, pro-immigration, yadda yadda yadda; because if you deviate on any of the compulsory positions you get denounced as a Nazi.

And if JJ is a weathersock / bandwagon-jumper of some accuracy, then change is a'comin'. And if we want to speed that change, cement it in, 'Golden Bridges' must be made available for opinion-holders to cross.

The interview starts about 19 minutes into this morning's programme.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001vcmh

JJ does an interview and says nothing about trans people.

Mumsnet assumes it must be about trans people somehow.

You are aware some people- most of the world in fact- are not 24/7 obsessed with this issue and don't see transness in every shadow and in fact regularly have conversations which have F all to do with anything trans?

I heard her on Radio 5 on Saturday morning - she was pushing some body positive/mental health exercise thing that she'd had an epiphany about during lockdown. https://iweighcommunity.com/

Jameela Jamil is not a serious person. The maddest thing she did was ostentatiously position herself as a fat acceptance activist despite being thin as a rake.

Also, as PPs have mentioned, the constant tall tales.

She might be preparing to 'come out' as an alt-righter though. The far left to alt right pipeline is a fairly well trodden one. Political horseshoe theory and all that.

I think she got some flak for that tweet!

She is the most cringeworthy person....it's just unbearable to read things like this...

I remember that now @Theyarehere . It was quite bizarre. They really went for her.

Perhaps she has sniffed the wind again though....and this time it is safer?

Interesting. I didn't hear the interview.
JJ is good at jumping on a bandwagon and generally spotting the bandwagon before most people - hence why she continues to have a media presence and her opinion does get heard (even if you don't agree with it).
She's also a little bit older and hopefully wiser than a few years ago and moving to a position of accepting that a person can make a mistake/change their view is actually really useful in terms of public discourse.
How long before she dares to express a moderately GC opinion I wonder..