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Jameela Jamil on Woman's Hour (today 17/1) Reverse ferret ahoy?

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WinterTrees · 17/01/2024 11:01

I'm not here much lately and have removed myself entirely from Twitter/X so I'm not sure if I've missed something, but JJ was a guest on WH this morning - Emma Barnett interviewing - and the subject was JJ's 'new strategy for how she communicates on social media'.

She came across as moderate and reasonable, and confessed to posting aggressively, using controversy as media currency, being judgemental and condescending and jumping on the bandwagon of 'smackdown culture' ('popular on the left') and getting involved in issues that weren't her area of expertise. Also to deleting her twitter history. Notably, LGBTQ issues weren't specifically mentioned at all, but I wondered if she was on some sort of reputation salvaging mission now the Emperor's nakedness is getting harder to ignore (and his pink leggings have had a lot of front page PR.) She did claim to be using her platform to 'tell the truth', and EB pointed out that it was only her version of the truth, but that was about the closest they got to touching on issues. She is calling for greater tolerance for people admitting they were wrong.

Did anyone else hear it? Have I missed anything and am I being naive and overly optimistic to think she may have (ahem) 'educated herself'? (Probably if I returned to twitter I could get some answers myself, but I've deleted my account now and I don't think I can get back in!)

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HoneyButterPopcorn · 21/01/2024 10:39

I didn’t know who she was but found her character incredibly irritating. I assumed it was an American actress pretending to be English. She was that irritating.

NotBadConsidering · 21/01/2024 10:36

The Good Place ended up being the bad place. Fitting, really.

ArabellaScott · 21/01/2024 10:19

SapphireSeptember · 21/01/2024 02:09

I don't think anyone should be hassled outside abortion clinics. If they could put an exclusion zone around Oxford university to keep the animal rights protesters away from the laboratories where they do animal testing, (and those protesters ending up in our village next to the traffic lights opposite Sainsbury's on a Saturday morning,) then surely they can do the same for abortion clinics?
Women have abortions for all sorts of reasons, some of which make them feel very vulnerable. I can't imagine how awful it would be to have to face a gaggle of anti-abortion protesters when you've suffered rape, or knowing your baby isn't going to survive after it's born, or just finding yourself unexpectedly pregnant and knowing you wouldn't be able to cope with a baby.

Absolutely. And that reminds me I haven't checked on the exclusion zone bill currently making a very slow way through Scotparl.

teawamutu · 21/01/2024 10:18

Littlepinkstarsbyradish · 21/01/2024 03:55

i don’t agree with lots of Jameela’s output, but I do think most of it comes from a good place/a view to help
this thread is really horrible, and I don’t really get the point of it?
do people have to be perfect to put their view “out there”?
do you have to agree with everything a person says to think that one point they made is important?

I think her exercise initiative to get people moving and divorcing it from weight loss is awesome and should be applauded.

Start here: https://slate.com/culture/2020/02/jameela-jamil-munchausen-accusations-bees-ehlers-danlos-explained.html

If the "good place" is 'making Jameela Jamil look relevant and virtuous, whether the statement is true or not' you're probably right.

But that's not the definition most people work with.

Making Sense of the Dizzyingly Complicated Jameela Jamil Controversy

Scrutiny over the actress’ medical history has pitted skeptics of her public persona against disability rights activists.

https://slate.com/culture/2020/02/jameela-jamil-munchausen-accusations-bees-ehlers-danlos-explained.html

Doyoumind · 21/01/2024 09:57

Littlepinkstarsbyradish · 21/01/2024 03:55

i don’t agree with lots of Jameela’s output, but I do think most of it comes from a good place/a view to help
this thread is really horrible, and I don’t really get the point of it?
do people have to be perfect to put their view “out there”?
do you have to agree with everything a person says to think that one point they made is important?

I think her exercise initiative to get people moving and divorcing it from weight loss is awesome and should be applauded.

I'm not convinced it does come from a good place when it's dishonest though. To me, she's a self promoter and bandwagon jumper not someone out to do good for the sake of doing good.

Littlepinkstarsbyradish · 21/01/2024 03:55

i don’t agree with lots of Jameela’s output, but I do think most of it comes from a good place/a view to help
this thread is really horrible, and I don’t really get the point of it?
do people have to be perfect to put their view “out there”?
do you have to agree with everything a person says to think that one point they made is important?

I think her exercise initiative to get people moving and divorcing it from weight loss is awesome and should be applauded.

SapphireSeptember · 21/01/2024 02:09

ArabellaScott · 19/01/2024 16:46

https://twitter.com/BBCWomansHour/status/1747974621444354332

When you make shit up you weaken the very real arguments women have for not wanting people hassling them or protesting at abortion clinics.

I don't think anyone should be hassled outside abortion clinics. If they could put an exclusion zone around Oxford university to keep the animal rights protesters away from the laboratories where they do animal testing, (and those protesters ending up in our village next to the traffic lights opposite Sainsbury's on a Saturday morning,) then surely they can do the same for abortion clinics?
Women have abortions for all sorts of reasons, some of which make them feel very vulnerable. I can't imagine how awful it would be to have to face a gaggle of anti-abortion protesters when you've suffered rape, or knowing your baby isn't going to survive after it's born, or just finding yourself unexpectedly pregnant and knowing you wouldn't be able to cope with a baby.

CriticalCondition · 20/01/2024 23:19

Whether it's bees or beads, it's a very vivid image isn't it, the victim's soft vulnerable body pelted or pursued by small dark stinging objects. There's something ancient and visceral about it. Like stoning. It reminds me of black and white prints of medieval torture and Biblical scenes in old books.
JJ can certainly paint a picture.

DogsAkimbo · 20/01/2024 21:47

Abhannmor · 20/01/2024 13:31

Classic 😂 😂.

Perhaps they were sent by St Gobnait. She sent a swarm of bees to see off brigands attacking her Abbey. Apparently.

Presumably, swarms of Rosary Bees would have a distinctive crucifix shape at one end!

Grin I think they’re also black-and-white, instead of black and yellow. Little angry flying nuns.

Abhannmor · 20/01/2024 13:31

DogsAkimbo · 20/01/2024 08:17

They were rosary bees.

Classic 😂 😂.

Perhaps they were sent by St Gobnait. She sent a swarm of bees to see off brigands attacking her Abbey. Apparently.

Presumably, swarms of Rosary Bees would have a distinctive crucifix shape at one end!

Lottapianos · 20/01/2024 12:53

'I'm loving EB's face at the start of that clip!'

😁 She looks like she's thinking 'course you were dear!'

pronounsbundlebundle · 20/01/2024 10:48

ArabellaScott · 19/01/2024 16:46

https://twitter.com/BBCWomansHour/status/1747974621444354332

When you make shit up you weaken the very real arguments women have for not wanting people hassling them or protesting at abortion clinics.

I'm loving EB's face at the start of that clip!

CriticalCondition · 20/01/2024 09:39

Redcar78 · 20/01/2024 08:52

Does anyone know why she was carried into the abortion clinic and didn't walk?

She didn't explain. She used 'he' to refer to her friend so I tentatively assume he was a man and therefore more up to the carrying task than most women. She was at pains to point out to Emma she's 5'10 (thus being able to 'handle' being pelted with rosary beads) so presumably no featherweight. She's written previously she was about 8 weeks pregnant at the time of the visit.

It's a mystery.

NotBadConsidering · 20/01/2024 09:21

I would like to see Jameela Jamil and Jack Munroe on a special episode of Would I lie to you? It would just keep escalating until one of them imploded under the mass of black hole- sized inconsistencies.

ArabellaScott · 20/01/2024 09:07

Ye gods, I'd forgotten that, Wanda. Fucking abhorrent thing to say.

WandaWomblesaurus · 20/01/2024 09:04

Maybe she should shut her mouth and open her purse which is what she said to a female survivor of domestic abuse.

Jameela is a clown.

Redcar78 · 20/01/2024 08:52

Does anyone know why she was carried into the abortion clinic and didn't walk?

Depressedhusbandbringingmedown · 20/01/2024 08:43

DogsAkimbo · 20/01/2024 08:17

They were rosary bees.

😝

DogsAkimbo · 20/01/2024 08:17

They were rosary bees.

pronounsbundlebundle · 20/01/2024 08:10

Maybe they were bees that identified as rosary beads. Apparently you literally can't tell the difference. Or at least JJ can't.

DogsAkimbo · 20/01/2024 07:10

HearTheSubGoBoom · 19/01/2024 19:15

Personally I think throwing rosary beads is just basic when you can train a swarm of bees instead.

Ha, just saw you beat me to it!

DogsAkimbo · 20/01/2024 07:10

HearTheSubGoBoom · 17/01/2024 11:28

Are we talking the same person who was chased by bees, twice, and got run over, twice, and had cancer, twice? I'm not sure she's the most honest witness as she can't even keep her own story straight.

I think in this interview, she actually referred to being pelted by rosary beads when she went to get an abortion. I almost expected to hear her say she was chased by angry bees.

HearTheSubGoBoom · 19/01/2024 19:15

Personally I think throwing rosary beads is just basic when you can train a swarm of bees instead.

ahjeez · 19/01/2024 19:05

It strikes me as odd that someone would dismantle and throw rosary beads at someone, considering the significance they have. Would be a little like tearing pages out of a bible, scrunching them up and throwing them at someone.

But, who knows, it could have happened.

WickedSerious · 19/01/2024 18:22

ArabellaScott · 19/01/2024 11:03

And, I believe, some 'far away'.

The Dreams? Reality? diagram might be useful too.