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Sources help - cis

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NoBinturongsHereMate · 15/01/2024 15:16

I know many here have splendid reference catalogues, so I hope you can hit me with some written sources about not using 'cis'.

Ideally including an explanation of why - although I can do that part myself if needed - but mainly I need to demonstrate that there's a significant level of objection.

So surveys with numbers objecting to the term would be ideal, or docs from multiple groups stating their objection.

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Villagetoraiseachild · 16/01/2024 14:59

I had never heard of cis until I had my Stonewall propaganda course, a whole afternoon lost forever, ostensibly in support of a teenager considering a trans future.
Foolishly, I took on the new words at face value, in the same way you might absorb plant names in Latin to better understand plant families.
Years later, I came on FWR trying to figure what is developing in society and got trounced for mentioning it.
I haven't since. It has no use, except for Stonewall trying to look clever and self validate with their list of pointless or deliberately misleading terms.

Not what you were looking for Op, but this is where it starts and this is where we say no.

GailBlancheViola · 16/01/2024 14:56

No, the legal rulings have been explicitly clear that while you're entitled to hold GC beliefs you're not entitled to limitless expression of them in the workplace.

The legal rulings have also been explicitly clear that while you are entitled to hold Gender Identity Ideology beliefs you are not entitled to limitless expression of them in the workplace. You are not allowed to compel others to believe them or partake in your belief. You are not entitled to harass others who do not hold a belief in Gender Identity Ideology as proven by the recent court case with Rachel Meade.

GI believers have the same right to express their beliefs and those who have GC beliefs - ain't the Law and equality grand.

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NoBinturongsHereMate · 16/01/2024 14:55

I keep misreading 'hyperbolic bollocks' as 'parabolic bollocks'. Quite different, and most disconcerting.

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PrawnLiberationFront · 16/01/2024 14:54

Datun · 16/01/2024 14:54

lol, it's the Stonewall advice that's getting people landed in court.

It's 'Stonewall Law'.

Not 'mumsnet law'.

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Oh "mumsnet law" is absolutely a thing.

PrawnLiberationFront · 16/01/2024 14:54

NoBinturongsHereMate · 16/01/2024 14:52

If they boot me out in a discriminatory fashion and give me the chance to meet Ben Cooper and get a nice fat compensation cheque, that's absolutely fine with me.

Or you might lose like David Mackereth. Funny how FWR doesn't talk about his case much.

Datun · 16/01/2024 14:54

PrawnLiberationFront · 16/01/2024 14:47

If nothing else I don't think it's fair when FWRers give posters terrible advice that could land them hauled up in front of HR, because Saint Maya managed to score a victory on a technicality, but I suppose that's your own problem, OP.

lol, it's the Stonewall advice that's getting people landed in court.

It's 'Stonewall Law'.

Not 'mumsnet law'.

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NoBinturongsHereMate · 16/01/2024 14:53

Hepwo · 16/01/2024 14:50

On a technicality!

Oh blimey.

That 'technicality' being that it was against the law.

Details, details...

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Datun · 16/01/2024 14:52

PrawnLiberationFront · 16/01/2024 14:44

No, the legal rulings have been explicitly clear that while you're entitled to hold GC beliefs you're not entitled to limitless expression of them in the workplace. Much like you're entitled to believe gay marraige is a sin but if you stand up in a work meeting and start banging on about it and making colleagues uncomfortable you could absolutely be disciplined for that.

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Crikey, prawn. Do you want some calamine lotion? All that straw must be making you itch like mad.

They OP is perfectly entitled to express her opinion that she does not wish to be called cis. Or that it should be deleted from company documents for instance.

And that many people consider it a slur.

She is also perfectly entitled to provide evidence that this is a widespread opinion.

Mind you, it's not surprising you consider that 'limitless expression' and 'banging on'. It comes from the same stable as hyperbolic bollocks.

Hepwo · 16/01/2024 14:52

PrawnLiberationFront · 16/01/2024 14:44

No, the legal rulings have been explicitly clear that while you're entitled to hold GC beliefs you're not entitled to limitless expression of them in the workplace. Much like you're entitled to believe gay marraige is a sin but if you stand up in a work meeting and start banging on about it and making colleagues uncomfortable you could absolutely be disciplined for that.

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In fact NOTHING Maya said was ruled impermissible by the tribunal.

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NoBinturongsHereMate · 16/01/2024 14:52

If they boot me out in a discriminatory fashion and give me the chance to meet Ben Cooper and get a nice fat compensation cheque, that's absolutely fine with me.

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Hepwo · 16/01/2024 14:50

On a technicality!

Oh blimey.

fedupandstuck · 16/01/2024 14:49

"It's just not fair!" stamps foot and pouts.

PrawnLiberationFront · 16/01/2024 14:47

If nothing else I don't think it's fair when FWRers give posters terrible advice that could land them hauled up in front of HR, because Saint Maya managed to score a victory on a technicality, but I suppose that's your own problem, OP.

fedupandstuck · 16/01/2024 14:46

Hmm. "limitless" is not what was stated. There is a difference between stated appropriately and "banging on"/limitless. And of course you are leveraging homophobia to try to make your point.

PrawnLiberationFront · 16/01/2024 14:44

fedupandstuck · 16/01/2024 14:42

Opinions that are pro-women, and protected by law, so totally appropriate for the workplace. As recent court cases have proven. Much to the dissatisfaction of a couple of recent posters in FWR, perhaps.

No, the legal rulings have been explicitly clear that while you're entitled to hold GC beliefs you're not entitled to limitless expression of them in the workplace. Much like you're entitled to believe gay marraige is a sin but if you stand up in a work meeting and start banging on about it and making colleagues uncomfortable you could absolutely be disciplined for that.

Datun · 16/01/2024 14:43

which is likely not at all appropriate to air in the workplace.

Yeah, women are not just arrested, attacked, fired and punished. But also taken to court.

How's that working out, I wonder! 😁

Incidentally, Maya Forstater was 'radicalised by mumsnet'. She gave me a sticker with that written on it. She was handing them out after a talk. Pleased as punch.

fedupandstuck · 16/01/2024 14:42

Opinions that are pro-women, and protected by law, so totally appropriate for the workplace. As recent court cases have proven. Much to the dissatisfaction of a couple of recent posters in FWR, perhaps.

PrawnLiberationFront · 16/01/2024 14:38

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Datun · 16/01/2024 14:38

NoBinturongsHereMate · 16/01/2024 14:34

Bother - post zapped before I saw it. What did I miss?

"Bigot" said half a dozen different ways, with a lot of 'hyperbolic bollocks' in it. Plus it was rather, er, rude. 🤣

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NoBinturongsHereMate · 16/01/2024 14:34

Bother - post zapped before I saw it. What did I miss?

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Datun · 16/01/2024 14:33

I wouldn't have had that deleted.

There's nothing that warms my cockles more than a TRA poster proving the point of the OP.

still, I suppose a deletion proves something.

Datun · 16/01/2024 14:19

But always good to know, prawn, that you don't think all the transwidows exes are really trans, or the likes of Debbie Hayton, or the children showing up to GIDS clinics.

Or Isla Bryson, of course. Or Karen white. Or Karen Jones. Or Barbie Kardashian.

Datun · 16/01/2024 14:17

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"hyperbolic bollocks"

lol

PrawnLiberationFront · 16/01/2024 14:14

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/01/2024 14:05

Very well put, @Datun