Girls "left at mercy" of grooming gangs in Rochdale, England because of failings by senior police and council bosses, damning report says

The fact of the men's race affecting the police actions - or lack thereof - has become embedded in the story. This needs to be faced head on.

Either the race aspect needs to be debunked, or it needs to be addressed. Clearly and openly. Transparency is crucial.

I think the overall rate of conviction for men’s violence against women, and the lack of support female victims get goes some way to debunk the suggestion. Whether that be domestic violence, sexual assault, child grooming, rape.

If there was a high level of white offenders being convicted while crimes committed by black and Asian men were being ignored that would certainly evidence the theory.

But women are being failed all over the shop, and the common denominator is men (of every ethnicity) getting away with far, far too much, while even when there is acknowledgement of the crimes the women and children get blamed.

You only have to look into how many police have been convicted of crimes against women to see misogyny is rife in the police force, it doesn’t turn on or off when they see the race of the person they’re investigating.

Interesting that you blame "the left" and multiculturalism, not systemic misogyny and corruption?

You a feminist or a RW culture warrior?

Thanks. Largely that says the data is lacking or poor quality.

The fact of the men's race affecting the police actions - or lack thereof - has become embedded in the story. This needs to be faced head on.

Either the race aspect needs to be debunked, or it needs to be addressed. Clearly and openly. Transparency is crucial.

If I said what I really thought about the way white girls were sacrificed en masse on the alter of the Left’s obsession with multiculturalism while the police & officials deliberately turned a blind eye in order to protect ‘community cohesion’, I would be banned from MN for life, so 🤐.

Sajid Javid commissioned a report which was meant to provide data. This article is worth reading in full to understand how he was reportedly stonewalled:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9070905/DAN-HODGES-reveals-inside-story-cover-abuse-young-girls.html

The home office wrote a report on this a few years ago: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5fd87e348fa8f54d5733f532/Group-based_CSE_Paper.pdf#page44

There is a page on ethnicity which makes for interesting reading, although doesn’t come to a fast and hard conclusion.

On a slight different topic, I was surprised to read how many offenders were under 30. Guess age wasn’t something I had given as much consideration to.

Yes that was the point i was making!

How can it be casual racism ? The men were Asian- it's a Fact .

It’s society’s fault. Very easy to blame the police and social
services ….. in the last seven days on MN

9 threads basically saying how very dare schools follow up on poor attendance. Parents know best.
2 threads on how dare schools report child safeguarding issues. Parents know best.
3 threads on home schooling. How to avoid a visit & ensuring parents know that the law can be to provide a written report and can refuse any visits because parents know best

Thread on a movie where an infant brain is implanted in a women’s body (who had committed suicide to get away from these abusers) lauded as a great film because she “finds her awaken sexuality” and leaves her abusers by way of prostitution. Apparently it’s not utterly fucking disgusting, it’s empowering

2 threads about parents “advised to go nuclear” because a member of staff may or may not have pushed two girls apart or stopped a child from leaving the class. How the fuck do you expect SS to stop a 15 year old from leaving a children’s home without restraint and potentially locking them in.

But yes all the police and social
services fault.

I hope those who were involved in the failings had their previous workload thoroughly examined, it would be interesting whether to know they were failing all round or just in this specific case. I think that may imply some of the reasons for it.

@TooBigForMyBoots My apologies- this was meant for @IdealisticCynic .

Noah's newsletter is from Noah Carl whose research has been extensively critiqued.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Noah_Carl

This article gives an overview where Asian men are more implicated in these. grooming gang crimes (though not in more general child sexual abuse).

www.noahsnewsletter.com/p/the-demographics-of-grooming-gangs?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Interestingly, a quick google of the authors name suggests he has rather interesting views on race, and lost his fellowship at Cambridge, and someone accused him of selectively using data to promote racism. I’ll be honest and say that I haven’t looked into it much further than that so could all be nothing, but food for thought nonetheless.

I thought this thread was about systemic sexism that allows the rape, torture and exploitation of women and girls.

Nowhere did I talk about "casual racism".

This article gives an overview where Asian men are more implicated in these. grooming gang crimes (though not in more general child sexual abuse).

www.noahsnewsletter.com/p/the-demographics-of-grooming-gangs?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

@TooBigForMyBoots

not 'casual racism ' . This thread is about the Rochdale grooming gangs. The men were (are) Asian.

These poor girls were ignored by the police and social workers - why?

If I remember correctly, some of the social workers were present at the Women's Liberation conference in UCL in 2020.

Those social workers didn't ignore them, but the SW reports were ignored, concealed, and they found themselves pushed to the margins.

Whatever race or background these men need to be stopped. The police and social services need to do their jobs without fear or favour.

These girls need someone to bloody stand up for them. Where are the NSPCC in all this?

This level of criminality doesn't escape police notice. How did their "didn't want to be seen as racist" present outside poor white girls being raped for men's profit?

Where I live it's white men grooming, trapping, exploiting, raping and torturing vulnerable women and children with impunity. They get away with it because they pay cops in money and information.

If you really believe the police were scared of being seen as racist, send me a PM. I've a deal on magic beans this week.

There were failings at so many levels, it is institutional misogyny.

And to try and say they were worried about being perceived at racist, as if they’re any better at dealing with white men. Excuses, excuses, excuses

“Asian men”. FFS. I work with lots of victims - many of these men are white English. If anything they get away with it even more because of the hyper focus on Asian men. I have even heard it said that juries won’t believe victims unless the grooming gang is Asian and in at least one case they only prosecuted the Asian men and none of the white men who had also been identified for precisely this reason.

This sort of casual racism is dangerous.

"...did no-one want to point a finger at the perpetrators for fear of being called racist for acknowledging their attitudes to women and girls?"
This is what they say, but these gangs have been operating for years now, I don't believe it anymore. I think it's just a convenient excuse and that someone or rather a group of people are allowing this to happen. No more excuses. The Council, the Police, Social Services, NSPCC must all be held accountable.

I think you need to watch Sky news. There is a father of one of these girls called 'Scarlett' who is telling his side of the story. This girl ,as example was not from a dysfunctional family - went to a prestigious school etc. It is an excellent interview. Her father reported her missing 58 times in one year at the age of 14 ,and he was told to STOP! Open your eyes people. This is real life, happening right NOW to girls from ALL walks of life .

@TooBigForMyBoots

"Police corruption. Someone was being paid."

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I don't believe this as it would mean that as well as numerous police officers the social workers were also being bribed.