Girls "left at mercy" of grooming gangs in Rochdale, England because of failings by senior police and council bosses, damning report says

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Just because you're a believer in the "Great Replacement Theory" or any other delusionary thinking doesn't give you the right to dismiss the experiences of all those girls in Rochdale and everywhere else. These were terrible cases with complex aspects including race, poverty, girls and early sexuality, ability to consent, poverty as well as institutional failings.

Using these girls to push your own bigoted views about women on here is absolutely shameful.

“I think your framing of people's perfectly reasonable, factual posts is utterly bizarre,”

Bizarre. But very much “on brand” for that particular poster - who consistently and repeatedly, across multiple threads, misrepresents what posters have said in order to make claims that individual posters, FWR, and mumsnet more generally, is racist and right wing. More recently they’ve started accusing posters / FWR/ mumsnet of being white nationalist.

Let's ignore this tosh and get back to spreading some racist misinformation under the guise of being outspoken "call a spade a spade" feminists.

Exactly.

That's what's made me hit my limit. It reminds me of the time I saw a white elderly male Labour policy advisor attack a woman from another ethnicity for saying men from her culture were misogynistic. He then made a performance out of publicly blocking her for making "negative generalisations" about men.

I also once saw a young white woman try to drum up a campaign to cancel a female Chinese author, because the woman had allegedly been "racist". The issue was that the woman had been videoed speaking about her experiences of misogyny in China.

There's a pattern here, and I'm tired of it. Let women talk about their specific experiences with men. Every country and culture has a problem with misogyny and it takes specific shapes according to the culture.

Exactly!

I should have said "Patriarchal attitudes of particular cultures"
Apparently it's fine to imply certain religions are problematic because of their "Patriarchal culture" (Islam) , but prejudiced to imply other religions are problematic because they are patriarchal (Christianity).
Its almost like some other factor is at play in making some religions fair game 🤔

Sikh girls have also been targetted, and there has been some suggestion that girls from South Asian backgrounds are being abused in the family. Black girls tend to be targetted via gangs, although not exclusively. The overwhelming linking factor is that the perpetrators are male & the victims are female. Sex matters.

Maybe reread the quotes eresh lots of people gave said this is a problem with Pakistani men or one poster even said a specific group from Pakistan
You just look defensive when you say "where have people said that?" on a thread with multiple posts saying that

Good idea @NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision

But the groomers in this case were full of racism and prejudice. That's the point. We are doing the girls a disservice by pretending uncomfortable things don't happen.

This.

Let's ignore this tosh. If someone's insecurities about being seen as racist are getting in the way of them listening to rape victims, then we will have the conversation without them.

The "multiculturalism gone wrong" and "lack of integration", "patriarchal attitudes" are all features of Great Replacement Theory/white supremacy.

We're not even allowed to acknowledge the patriarchy on a feminist board now? I've heard it all!

There is no evidence Pakistani men do this more than other men.

Where has anyone said that they do?

No one on this thread has said anything of this sort. You clearly have an agenda.

I think your framing of people's perfectly reasonable, factual posts is utterly bizarre, @AdamRyan. You're very much demonstrating why these abused children were ignored for so long. Knee jerk accusations of racism just for discussing the established facts of these cases.

Grooming gangs operate everywhere. Men can rape women and girls with impunity. Rich powerful men exploit young girls for sex by grooming with money and drugs. Men form gangs to do sexual crimes all the time.

There is no evidence Pakistani men do this more than other men. That's why it is racist.

The "multiculturalism gone wrong" and "lack of integration", "patriarchal attitudes" are all features of Great Replacement Theory/white supremacy. If you don't agree with it, don't join in with it.

@AdamRyan I really think your preconceptions are blinding you to the conversation happening here. I’m disappointed.

Have you been on the AMA by the young victim of a grooming gang? Obviously she’s only talking about what she saw, heard and experienced.

But no one is making sweeping statements about all grooming gangs, or all men in certain cultures.

Only that there is - clearly and evidently- a cultural influence on certain situations that needs to be considered to best protect these vulnerable youngsters.

I don't think there is evidence the victims ethnicity was a key factor. The victims class, sex and general vulnerability were key factors.

Where are the victims of other ethnicities then? You’re not surely suggesting that only white girls in northern cities are vulnerable and working class ?

In any case that is not how the debate has been framed. It's been framed as "racism against white people" and an issue caused by "Pakistani grooming gangs" to quote our beloved home secretary.

That framing, whether anyone thinks it's true or not, has zero bearing on the facts of the case, which is that Pakistani grooming gangs operated and apparently still operate in Rochdale. And it's also known that similar gangs operate in other towns, the most notable being Rotherham in South Yorkshire, where a scandal unfolded in a very similar way.

Me having an opinion that disagrees with yours is not "posting in bad faith"
The Daily Mail were forced to correct Bravermans article about "Pakistani Groomers" for being inaccurate, after am IPSO investigation. That's because there is no evidence to support the view that grooming gangs are a problem of particular ethnicities. Yet still we get screeds of racism posted on these threads as "fact". I find it extremely offensive.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/28/braverman-ethnicity-child-grooming-gangs-false-mail-on-sunday

I'd love a debate about how to protect vulnerable girls from groomers, just one that's not full of racism and prejudice.

But the groomers in this case were full of racism and prejudice. That's the point. We are doing the girls a disservice by pretending uncomfortable things don't happen.

I'm not a white nationalist @AdamRyan any more than I'm sure you aren't really a spittle flecked misogynist.

I was replying to OPs question and various people asserting "they never saw white nationalist views on here". OP specifically asked for posts, not assertions. Maybe take it up with her for starting a goady TAAT

I don't think there is evidence the victims ethnicity was a key factor. The victims class, sex and general vulnerability were key factors.

In any case that is not how the debate has been framed. It's been framed as "racism against white people" and an issue caused by "Pakistani grooming gangs" to quote our beloved home secretary.

I'd love a debate about how to protect vulnerable girls from groomers, just one that's not full of racism and prejudice.