Yes black girls were very vulnerable in Bristol, if I remember correctly, but the abuse ring there were black.

Abuse rings exist. They have particular targets and constituents. That needs to be up for discussion.

Shouting racist or transphobe or nazi isn’t the best of debating techniques.

It's the latest excuse. In the past it was, but they were priests. But they were celebrities. But they were politicians.

Now it's, but they were brown.

It's all bollocks. This happened and continues to happen all over the country because the victims are female, poor and vulnerable and the cops don't give a shit about them.

Police silence and collusion is bought with money and information. Fear of racism is a way of muddying the water.

There is certainly plenty of evidence of white men historically raping african women. Raping women in every single country that had European countries invading, in fact. Presumably we're allowed to admit that. It's just the brown men who must be sanctified.

It is a moot point. Would Adam Ryan feel.more comfortable if more African or Carribbean women were being groomed by these gangs? At least it wouldn't look so blatant that they were being so selective.

People are doing it on this thread right now.

Anything you say that seeks to acknowledge that the rapists were racist, gets you called racist.

It's just like being told you're transphobic for saying men might exploit the opportunity to use hitherto single-sex women's homelessness hostels.

You might think you're making a point, but that wasn't anything to do with my point. Maybe don't misrepresent the situation? You have your ideas about what happened, but you cannot say that there isn't evidence that fear of being perceived as racist was an issue, because there is.

My point is the ethnicity of the perpetrators was irrelevant. The only thing that mattered was the police response.

And the police response in Oldham, Rotherham etc is exactly the same as the police response in areas where the traffickers and rapists are white.

There is no class of abusive misogynist who deserves to be excused.

The stone cold truth. And no fucking sacred castes, whether it's "trans" or anything around race or culture.

I'm sure they will come for me. White cultural relativists managed to stifle me at the time, but then they also had me convinced it was my social duty to passively accept it when boys said white girls were sluts. They can go to hell now.

There is no class of abusive misogynist who deserves to be excused.

People who went to the police, who let's face it were the only ones who could do anything, weretold by the police that they couldn't do anything because whatever and because "racism".

It was bollocks. The police didn't go after the rapists, paedophiles and traffickers because it suited them.

What is your point? People denied that there was any race angle at all for the police, nothing was further from the truth, there was no evidence etc. I evidenced that in Rotherham at least, the police chief said there was. I don't exactly consider him the most reliable witness.

As I mentioned, there is an ama thread by a survivor of a grooming gang who gives quite intimate info on how these networks operate. They are bound up with paying back drug debts via pimping. I won't link here. (givehersome respite from the tubthumpers who'll tell her she was mistaken and unconsciously biased)but here is a quote

"My family have no knowledge at all, everything is a secret with me and my family, I don’t share anything with them because they’re religious so my family situation is a bit different in the sense that I won’t ask for their help if I need it. I resented my family for childhood abuse, I don’t have love for them so they made no difference to me in escaping from abusers, I became quite indifferent so the amount of affection they were giving me made no difference, I didn’t miss them either and the fact I didn’t share anything and had such a strained bond meant they wouldn’t have been able to stand in the way.

" Ours was not a conventional grooming, he was once a victim so he knew what to do to keep it more of a secret. "..

"The gang was quite dispersed, they had their favourites and it was like they chose who they wanted to pimp out and who they didn’t. Ours was unconventional, we was split and me and my ex were Asian and the other victims were white and their other abusers (Asian) were similar ages to us and we all knew each other, I know the boys first though

. Lots of using girls to pay off their drug debts, some were usual pimps, some were there just to pay debts and then never to be seen, others were there because they were involved from the beginning and were interested in sexually abusing girls and it was quickly obvious who was who. My friends loved me and the others girls understood I didn’t want to be involved like the others but three of other victims hated me, referring to me as “Mrs x” (the ex’s name). There were white people also involved, they were his friends, but theirs was more one to one abuse between themselves and who they made to be “escorts”, a couple older white women were there and if I didn’t have the support of my at the time friend’s families I think I would have became an abuser because in my mind I was constantly comparing myself to my friends and the Asian perpetrators and they fucked so badly with my head..."

This pattern of behaviour is the absolute flip side of honour violence. I know this because I see it. You are policed as a brown female. The only males you socialise with are from your own kinship group. In this woman's case that is how Hera user has gained access to her.
You'd think someone like Adam Ryan would if he or she were genuinely concerned about fighting racism and protecting victims, be pushing for more investigation into the clearly hidden level of exploitation among these women from those communities. But that risks angry shouty beardy guys turning up and calling him racist.

This attempted mass smear and derail is just embarrassing now.

People who went to the police, who let's face it were the only ones who could do anything, weretold by the police that they couldn't do anything because whatever and because "racism".

It was bollocks. The police didn't go after the rapists, paedophiles and traffickers because it suited them.

Careful Pots or you'll have the cultural relativists on your back.

It doesn't only affect white girls, either. Can I get started on how girls in my town were married off at 16 with parental consent before they'd even got their GCSE results? To older men, naturally?

The minimum age for marriage has now been raised to 18, but it should have been raised 20 years ago.

Those girls deserved to be legally protected.

Isn't that because you're only interested in the fight? In the slogan? In the argument?
Nuance and complexities seem to matter little - only of interest if they can be used as a 'stick" to beat those you disagree with? It's why there seems little coherence or progression in debates you get involved in on here. Tragedy that befalls children is only of interest if you can use it as a weapon against women you disapprove of (imo).

It's very frustrating which is why I rarely comment when you appear on a thread. It usually descends into shouty slogans and countless allegations against the bad women on here.
Maybe worth thinking about?

Is it any wonder people look to figures on the far right, who undoubtedly exploit this, when this sort of mealy mouthed shit is what they get from "progressive" people?

"Implying the police didn't act because they didn't want to be called racist - rather than acknowledging the difficulties of raised racial tensions."

Because that does seem to be what you're saying, @AdamRyan. That it's understandable that the police didn't act on the sexual abuse of thousands of poor white girls because of "the difficulties of raised racial tensions". I'm not sure how you can't see how awful that is.

“Consistently and repeatedly, across multiple threads, misrepresents what posters have said.”

As you agreed, the cap fits.

I was tempted to add “and when the misrepresentations are pointed out, starts with the condescending emoji’s” but couldn’t be bothered.

It is never going to be acceptable that the police ignore the systematic sexual abuse of children because they are worried about inflaming racial tensions. It wasn't then, and it isn't now. And they have admitted that they did that in Rotherham.

OK. Conversation to me usually doesn't involve racism, and does involve expressing disgust for racist views. On here you have to "prove" it was racist (e.g. that stupid "white supremacy" thread). Or say nothing. In the real world I wouldn't be letting this shit go unchallenged either.

Exactly. It's hardly going to stop people making capital, it just makes it look worse and makes more moderate people think they might have a point.

Some conversations are difficult. It doesn’t mean you don’t have them.

Here you go eresh - this is what I mean. Implying the police didn't act because they didn't want to be called racist - rather than acknowledging the difficulties of raised racial tensions.

There are plenty of groups out there just itching to have a reason to go and beat some brown people up. Just look at Tommy Robinsons stupid cenotaph protection ridiculousness in November. They barely need a pretext and in the 2000s in NW England the police were well aware of that.

I wonder if this kind of thinking comes out of the common "antiracist" idea that only white people can be racist? Maybe not a direct line of thinking, but some political progressives are very uncomfortable with the idea that there are other cultures and ethnicities that can be deeply racist.