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Girls "left at mercy" of grooming gangs in Rochdale, England because of failings by senior police and council bosses, damning report says

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DerekFaker · 15/01/2024 10:22

No surprise to anyone on here, I would guess. Those poor girls.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67967919

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Police left children at mercy of grooming gangs in Rochdale, report says

A review criticises a series of failed investigations by Greater Manchester Police in Rochdale.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-67967919

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Cancelledcurio · 15/01/2024 16:34

This is so upsetting. I fecking hate men sometimes. I have so much rage for these men!!! Those poor wee lassies and they are wee lassies! Just wanting love and attention ! Despicable men!

Sharontheodopolodous · 15/01/2024 16:24

ArabellaScott · 15/01/2024 14:21

Sharon that is so hard to read.

It's disgusting

I tried to phone her sw and was told to 'go away'

They know full well what's going on but don't care

I was told she's 'made her choices' (!), 'knows what she's doing' (!) and is a 'naughty little minx' (so let's blame her for her own abuse and brainwashing-if you ask her,she's just dating her boyfriend and the world is wrong about him)

She's 14/15! (I'm not 100% sure when her birthday is)

At that age I was struggling with my homework,trying (and failing) to find a boyfriend,babysitting for cash and trying to work out what make-up suited me

She's been raped every fucking day,plied with god knows how much booze and drugs and everyone who is paid to protect her,is turning a blind eye and doing nothing as she's a kid who was born on the 'wrong side of the tracks' (not my words)

She deserves so much more-and she is just one girl-it's much deeper than her and a lot more widespread than the police,ss and the media would have you believe

And nobody is doing anything-and what has have been done,is only because of pressure from the public

Believe me,a lot more needs doing

ArabellaScott · 15/01/2024 14:21

Sharon that is so hard to read.

Sharontheodopolodous · 15/01/2024 14:17

CrowBlack · 15/01/2024 14:12

@Sharontheodopolodous

Sounds as if they have her on drugs or are black mailing her in some way .

She takes drugs daily

And drinks until she blacks out-he provides her with both and she 'had to pay him back'

It's the lack of action from ss,police,nspcc etc that is shocking

They just laugh as soon as you mention her name

CrowBlack · 15/01/2024 14:12

@Sharontheodopolodous

Sounds as if they have her on drugs or are black mailing her in some way .

Sharontheodopolodous · 15/01/2024 13:58

It's still going on! (I'm talking about a well known city up north)

It just went more into hiding

I have a cousin (well,her mum is my cousin) who is being groomed right this second

My ds works in the hospital in my home town

One night he was called out to deal with a young girl who's 'much older boyfriend' (clearly her pimp),was refusing to leave her overnight-shed been so badly beaten,she ended up in intensive care

My son recognised her name-and messaged me to see if it was the same girl (hadn't seen her for years)

He then rang the police and social services-the police refused to even speak to her on the phone let alone come out to speak to her and her social worker just laughed at ds and told him 'it's down to her lifestyle choices' 'shes a silly girl' and ''she knows what she's doing-being very silly,the little minx'

Her latest 'stepdad' (mum died last year) just laughs and eggs her on,her uncle is up on child abuse charges himself and her grandparents are dead

This is a young girl,who has been in and out of care all her life,lost her mum (who made Karen Matthews look like mum of the year-we all know the type) and has had a line of 'mums boyfriends being called dad' (real dad is in prison,2 siblings are as well and the other 2 just use her for their own amusement)

The only person she's got in her life,who she believes is the only person who cares about her at 14/15 is this 'boyfriend' who's in his early 40's and she sees nothing wrong with being 'shared'(raped) with his mates for a bottle of booze and a few fags-they seem to be untouchable-and they know it

Ds has tried to contact anyone he thinks could help,but they either laugh at him or she goes into hiding until the coast is clear

Nobody is listening-shes a young,'streetwise' (she's not-she just has a gob on her) and had a tough upbringing,young girl who's frightened and lashes out

She was ripe for the picking

ArabellaScott · 15/01/2024 13:48

mommatoone · 15/01/2024 13:17

You have only got to drive around Oldham & Rochdale at night to see that this is still going on and probably always will. Like other PP has said, society almost expects that women will be subject to some form of sexual violence within their lifetime. These girls are children, often the most vulnerable in our society and no one can protect them. It has gone too far. Some of these girls in Oldham were picked up from childrens homes by these grown men!!

This is appalling. What can we do?

Tallisker · 15/01/2024 13:46

Weren't there social services reports being all "non judgmental" and "respecting the service user's sexual empowerment" when they were reporting having sex with multiple men underage and getting pregnant

Yes, that too. So open minded their brains had fallen out.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 15/01/2024 13:32

In some ways it’s not dissimilar to the post office scandal - the ‘little people’ are never listened to and the establishment closes ranks to protect itself.

but don’t worry, ‘lessons will be learned’.

BackToLurk · 15/01/2024 13:31

Sumsummer · 15/01/2024 13:27

I see so many similarities with this and the Epstein case just richer perpetrators.

I dontbthink you can blame it on someone's race.

Someone involved in the case (might have been Maggie Oliver) was discussing this on the radio this morning. She pointed out that black and Asian men are, across the criminal justice system, more likely to be arrested and charged of crimes. That this didn't happen in Rochdale suggests that something else was going on. Essentially the attitudes towards the girls.

Lalgarh · 15/01/2024 13:27

Tallisker · 15/01/2024 13:25

Yes, CrowBlack, the powers that be had the mindset that the young teenage girls were saucy little madams who knew exactly what they were doing with their feminine wiles leading the men on. They weren't and they didn't. They were CHILDREN.

Weren't there social services reports being all "non judgmental" and "respecting the service user's sexual empowerment" when they were reporting having sex with multiple men underage and getting pregnant

Sumsummer · 15/01/2024 13:27

I see so many similarities with this and the Epstein case just richer perpetrators.

I dontbthink you can blame it on someone's race.

Tallisker · 15/01/2024 13:25

Yes, CrowBlack, the powers that be had the mindset that the young teenage girls were saucy little madams who knew exactly what they were doing with their feminine wiles leading the men on. They weren't and they didn't. They were CHILDREN.

ScrollingLeaves · 15/01/2024 13:24

I watched on the BBC this morning with the impressive women speaking who had tried to help the girls and themselves been ignored and vilified. No one should miss this. It very important to know what has been happening.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/01/2024 13:18

Just listened to Maggie Oliver telling the head of the GMP that things have still not improved. She's been such a powerful advocate for these girls.

mommatoone · 15/01/2024 13:17

You have only got to drive around Oldham & Rochdale at night to see that this is still going on and probably always will. Like other PP has said, society almost expects that women will be subject to some form of sexual violence within their lifetime. These girls are children, often the most vulnerable in our society and no one can protect them. It has gone too far. Some of these girls in Oldham were picked up from childrens homes by these grown men!!

Lalgarh · 15/01/2024 13:12

There is an AMA thread 🧵 on here by a woman whose Ex groomed her. It's quite detailed. I hope she reports it and gets justice

CrowBlack · 15/01/2024 13:09

Tallisker · 15/01/2024 12:21

I want to weep for those poor children. They were seen as choosing the lifestyle, they were the men's girlfriends and they knew exactly what they were doing. NO! Pregnant at 13 is not a lifestyle choice!

I despair.

Apparently it's bad in Oldham too, yet to break.

But they weren't girlfriends. They thought they were .

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 15/01/2024 13:08

isn't it odd that in Operation Yewtree, the police were falling over themselves to believe reports of the sexual abuse of boys, to the point of believing the flimsiest of accusations and pursuing the alleged perpetrators even beyond the grave? What a contrast with Rochdale etc

Let's face it - the hard fact is that that society actually expects that women will be subjected to a degree of sexual violence at some time in their lives - i.e, it's normal and normalised. Male rape isn't.

I'd like heads to roll in Rochdale but my cynicism tells me they'll either have retired or will be quietly retired. On full pension, of course.

CrowBlack · 15/01/2024 13:07

SidewaysOtter · 15/01/2024 10:52

It’s all very well saying sorry, but WHY did this happen? Were the girls ignored because of their backgrounds (troubled and /or poorer backgrounds), or because they were female? Or did no-one want to point a finger at the perpetrators for fear of being called racist for acknowledging their attitudes to women and girls?

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ArabellaScott · 15/01/2024 13:06

This makes me feel sick.

MarieDeGournay · 15/01/2024 12:52

beguilingeyes you have hit the nail on the head: girls don't matter. Every time I see yet another handwringing report saying 'how could this have happened? Who knew about it?' I think exactly the same as you - loads of people knew, but girls are fair game sexually so no one cared. That's how the likes of Savile 'hid in plain sight' - so many knew, so few cared.
The sexual abuse of any child, boy or girl, is equally despicable, but isn't it odd that in Operation Yewtree, the police were falling over themselves to believe reports of the sexual abuse of boys, to the point of believing the flimsiest of accusations and pursuing the alleged perpetrators even beyond the grave? What a contrast with Rochdale etc.
Classism and racism were also powerful ingredients in these cases.

Lalgarh · 15/01/2024 12:46

Lalgarh · 15/01/2024 12:40

There's another File on 4 I'm trying to find that actually spoke to a young woman still in the snare of these gangs. It's in a town "yet to become notorious" and she's basically unable to access stuff like modern slavery help because she doesn't trust the confidentiality of the police enough to testify.

Found it. The National Referral Mechanism doesn't actually apply to UK victims. So she's stuck. She describes the modus operandi quite graphically

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001cdts?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

File on 4 - Isobel's Story - BBC Sounds

Concerns British victims of abuse are less likely to get help than foreign nationals.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001cdts?origin=share-mobile&partner=uk.co.bbc

Lalgarh · 15/01/2024 12:40

There's another File on 4 I'm trying to find that actually spoke to a young woman still in the snare of these gangs. It's in a town "yet to become notorious" and she's basically unable to access stuff like modern slavery help because she doesn't trust the confidentiality of the police enough to testify.