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Labour candidate suspended for 'transphobia'

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Imnobody4 · 13/01/2024 16:02

Labour’s London region has suspended the party’s candidate for a closely-contested council by-election in Hackney following allegations of “transphobia“.
Party members were told by email early this morning by Hackney’s borough organiser that “all planned campaign sessions” in the Cazenove ward had been cancelled, including those that were to have taken place today.
A Labour source has confirmed that the candidate, Laura Pascal (front right in photo), has been “administratively suspended”, which means a complaint has been made about her by another party member and a decision taken to investigate it.
The timing of the suspension means there is not enough time to nominate a different candidate in time for the by-election, which will be held next Thursday. This means that if Pascal wins, she will sit as an independent councillor. The source confirmed that Labour will do no further campaigning for her.

https://www.onlondon.co.uk/hackney-labour-cazenove-candidate-for-council-by-election-suspended/

About time KS got a grip.

https://twitter.com/duffster84/status/1745383937118003390

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DewHopper · 14/01/2024 16:57

pronounsbundlebundle · 14/01/2024 16:17

I really think all this 'if we just do the right things, then Labour leadership will eventually listen' is really disturbing to be honest. It reminds me of the 'women don't need the vote because they have influence over their husbands votes' argument and the 'if I'm just a nicer person then maybe he'll be nicer to me' argument. It's really anti-woman.

Rapists in women's prisons isn't something to be negotiated. It's a breach of women's human rights, it's cruel and unusual punishment, a woman prisoner got a coil fitted ffs so blatant was the rape threat. It's morally wrong and Labour need to pull their finger out and stop with the 'yes, you can have single 'sex' spaces with Karen White / Katie Dolatowski / Amy Miller allowed because they have a £5 GRC'and '99% of women don't have a penis'.

Labour have been pretty openly anti-women. I can't believe they did nothing about the very blatant male display of aggression to Miriam Cates that LRM displayed - so blatant that another male MP felt he had to go and sit nearby. You have to wonder what would have happened had there NOT been cameras there and it NOT been in the HoC.

You have to wonder if people arguing that we're putting off Labour leadership with our uncompromising stance on women being entitled to human rights and single sex spaces also feel that women in Afghanistan just need to try harder to be nicer to the Taliban too.

The issues are very simple and clear cut. The biological fact of mammalian reproduction and binary sex is clear.

Labour politicians are pretending the emperor has new clothes and are trying to force the population to believe that too via totalitarian control (somewhat limited to Labour councils and certain organisations at the moment as they're not in power), which means they have the capacity to pretend anything and try and impose any anti-science, anti-reality belief on the population as long as they think it's in their own interests. That's dangerous, and we need to speak up as forcefully as we can NOW because once they get into power the harassing of women (and their children) by the police for stating the earth ISN'T flat will only get worse.

All of the above. But I also think that they will not listen to us whatever we say. I think that the LP is lost and I have given up on it.

EasternStandard · 14/01/2024 16:20

pronounsbundlebundle · 14/01/2024 16:17

I really think all this 'if we just do the right things, then Labour leadership will eventually listen' is really disturbing to be honest. It reminds me of the 'women don't need the vote because they have influence over their husbands votes' argument and the 'if I'm just a nicer person then maybe he'll be nicer to me' argument. It's really anti-woman.

Rapists in women's prisons isn't something to be negotiated. It's a breach of women's human rights, it's cruel and unusual punishment, a woman prisoner got a coil fitted ffs so blatant was the rape threat. It's morally wrong and Labour need to pull their finger out and stop with the 'yes, you can have single 'sex' spaces with Karen White / Katie Dolatowski / Amy Miller allowed because they have a £5 GRC'and '99% of women don't have a penis'.

Labour have been pretty openly anti-women. I can't believe they did nothing about the very blatant male display of aggression to Miriam Cates that LRM displayed - so blatant that another male MP felt he had to go and sit nearby. You have to wonder what would have happened had there NOT been cameras there and it NOT been in the HoC.

You have to wonder if people arguing that we're putting off Labour leadership with our uncompromising stance on women being entitled to human rights and single sex spaces also feel that women in Afghanistan just need to try harder to be nicer to the Taliban too.

The issues are very simple and clear cut. The biological fact of mammalian reproduction and binary sex is clear.

Labour politicians are pretending the emperor has new clothes and are trying to force the population to believe that too via totalitarian control (somewhat limited to Labour councils and certain organisations at the moment as they're not in power), which means they have the capacity to pretend anything and try and impose any anti-science, anti-reality belief on the population as long as they think it's in their own interests. That's dangerous, and we need to speak up as forcefully as we can NOW because once they get into power the harassing of women (and their children) by the police for stating the earth ISN'T flat will only get worse.

I really think all this 'if we just do the right things, then Labour leadership will eventually listen' is really disturbing to be honest.

Same. And the rest of your post

pronounsbundlebundle · 14/01/2024 16:17

I really think all this 'if we just do the right things, then Labour leadership will eventually listen' is really disturbing to be honest. It reminds me of the 'women don't need the vote because they have influence over their husbands votes' argument and the 'if I'm just a nicer person then maybe he'll be nicer to me' argument. It's really anti-woman.

Rapists in women's prisons isn't something to be negotiated. It's a breach of women's human rights, it's cruel and unusual punishment, a woman prisoner got a coil fitted ffs so blatant was the rape threat. It's morally wrong and Labour need to pull their finger out and stop with the 'yes, you can have single 'sex' spaces with Karen White / Katie Dolatowski / Amy Miller allowed because they have a £5 GRC'and '99% of women don't have a penis'.

Labour have been pretty openly anti-women. I can't believe they did nothing about the very blatant male display of aggression to Miriam Cates that LRM displayed - so blatant that another male MP felt he had to go and sit nearby. You have to wonder what would have happened had there NOT been cameras there and it NOT been in the HoC.

You have to wonder if people arguing that we're putting off Labour leadership with our uncompromising stance on women being entitled to human rights and single sex spaces also feel that women in Afghanistan just need to try harder to be nicer to the Taliban too.

The issues are very simple and clear cut. The biological fact of mammalian reproduction and binary sex is clear.

Labour politicians are pretending the emperor has new clothes and are trying to force the population to believe that too via totalitarian control (somewhat limited to Labour councils and certain organisations at the moment as they're not in power), which means they have the capacity to pretend anything and try and impose any anti-science, anti-reality belief on the population as long as they think it's in their own interests. That's dangerous, and we need to speak up as forcefully as we can NOW because once they get into power the harassing of women (and their children) by the police for stating the earth ISN'T flat will only get worse.

DewHopper · 14/01/2024 15:40

LoobiJee · 14/01/2024 15:02

“And that we might have more influence over a future Labour government if we hadn't convinced the party that we were going to try and undermine it whatever it does?”

So the way it works is that…

  • a Labour MP’s TRA researcher shouting “fascist” at a dad and baby doesn’t count as undermining the Labour Party / undermining TRAs’ influence over a future Labour government
  • a TRA male Labour MP visibly trying to intimidate a female MP in the House of Commons doesn’t count as undermining the Labour Party / undermining TRAs’ influence over a future Labour government
  • a TRA activist sticking up “don’t vote Labour” flyers on lampposts doesn’t count as undermining the Labour Party / undermining TRAs’ influence over a future Labour government
  • a sub-Reddit entitled “UK Labour” slagging off the Labour Party leadership doesn’t count as undermining Labour / undermining TRAs’ influence over a future Labour Government

But in contrast…..

  • a female branch secretary who has spent countless weekends doorstep campaigning for Labour for at least seven years is undermining women’s influence over a future Labour government by saying that biological sex is real.
  • a forum - which is entitled “feminism”, not entitled “Labour” - is jeopardising Labour women’s/ all women’s influence over a future Labour government by expressing disappointment and concerns about malicious TRA targeting of a female candidate just before the by-election.

In other words: you supplicants had better not do the wrong kind of supplicating or your supplicating will be ignored and if that happens ON YOUR OWN HEADS it will be.

I’m not sure that’s the winning argument in favour of Labour’s attitude to women you think it is, tbh.

👏👏

LoobiJee · 14/01/2024 15:02

HPFA · 14/01/2024 09:36

Whilst I get that very few people will have detailed knowledge of the Labour complaints process it's frustrating to see people on Twitter who should know better reinforcing the narrative.

Under the independent process mandated by the EHRC Keir Starmer CAN'T just personally intervene in disciplinary cases. If he did then the independent people who oversee the complaints process would reverse any decision he made on the grounds that the original complaint hadn't been properly investigated.

I know the GC movement seems to have convinced itself that Labours consistent two year 15-20 poll is going to mysteriously evaporate in the next six months but wouldn't it be more sensible to assume it won't? And that we might have more influence over a future Labour government if we hadn't convinced the party that we were going to try and undermine it whatever it does?

“And that we might have more influence over a future Labour government if we hadn't convinced the party that we were going to try and undermine it whatever it does?”

So the way it works is that…

  • a Labour MP’s TRA researcher shouting “fascist” at a dad and baby doesn’t count as undermining the Labour Party / undermining TRAs’ influence over a future Labour government
  • a TRA male Labour MP visibly trying to intimidate a female MP in the House of Commons doesn’t count as undermining the Labour Party / undermining TRAs’ influence over a future Labour government
  • a TRA activist sticking up “don’t vote Labour” flyers on lampposts doesn’t count as undermining the Labour Party / undermining TRAs’ influence over a future Labour government
  • a sub-Reddit entitled “UK Labour” slagging off the Labour Party leadership doesn’t count as undermining Labour / undermining TRAs’ influence over a future Labour Government

But in contrast…..

  • a female branch secretary who has spent countless weekends doorstep campaigning for Labour for at least seven years is undermining women’s influence over a future Labour government by saying that biological sex is real.
  • a forum - which is entitled “feminism”, not entitled “Labour” - is jeopardising Labour women’s/ all women’s influence over a future Labour government by expressing disappointment and concerns about malicious TRA targeting of a female candidate just before the by-election.

In other words: you supplicants had better not do the wrong kind of supplicating or your supplicating will be ignored and if that happens ON YOUR OWN HEADS it will be.

I’m not sure that’s the winning argument in favour of Labour’s attitude to women you think it is, tbh.

EasternStandard · 14/01/2024 13:27

Floisme · 14/01/2024 12:27

I had better keep my thoughts to myself about the sheer brass neck of trying to put the blame for this shitshow on women who've been trying to work with Labour over this for years, all the while staying loyal. Let's just say that it's made me very, very cross.

I hear you.

And I haven’t even tried. It’s annoying enough that posters do it.

Floisme · 14/01/2024 13:18

And no, I don't prefer Boris Johnson. I think it was a huge act of self harm for the Conservative Party to choose someone with a track record of dishonesty as their leader, and then cling to him when the inevitable happened. I think they lost the right then to have a single word they say taken seriously. But this thread isn't about the Conservatives, it's about the sheer fuckwittery of a party that I've supported all my life but that I now despise a little more with every passing day.

Floisme · 14/01/2024 12:27

I had better keep my thoughts to myself about the sheer brass neck of trying to put the blame for this shitshow on women who've been trying to work with Labour over this for years, all the while staying loyal. Let's just say that it's made me very, very cross.

EasternStandard · 14/01/2024 12:14

Kucinghitam · 14/01/2024 12:11

Bottom line: It's always women's (the old-fashioned cunty kind, obv) fault.

You didn’t bow down and grovel to the incoming gov in the right way

Even though blocko male says no one is talking about it and doesn’t meet

Sod that. I agree with @Froodwithatowel and @DewHopper too

ArabellaScott · 14/01/2024 12:12

Froodwithatowel · 14/01/2024 09:41

Btw don't run away with the idea that I'm talking down Labour because I want another party to win. I don't. There isn't one of them I want in power. I'm a floating voter with middle left political beliefs reaching utter bloody despair,

100% the same here. My vote is up for grabs. Anyone who protects women's rights gets it.

Kucinghitam · 14/01/2024 12:11

Bottom line: It's always women's (the old-fashioned cunty kind, obv) fault.

DewHopper · 14/01/2024 12:10

Froodwithatowel · 14/01/2024 09:08

I'm afraid I don't believe he has any splinters. He is perfectly ok with all this, he is fine with the bullying of women, the totalinarianism, the Orwellian dystopia, he's all for it. He enables this constantly. He's just got enough sense to not actively get involved in the doing of it himself, and thereby leave some illusion of reasonable doubt about how much of a misogynist so and so he is until he's in power and no one can stop him for five years.

I'd truly prefer Boris. At least he's honest with you that he's a total wanker without a grain of ethics or capacity, and has no fucks to give. By their deeds shall ye know them.

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Couldn't agree more.

DewHopper · 14/01/2024 12:02

The article quotes the Tweet. She doesn’t say anything about trans people. Or use the word woman. She just talks about biological sex

This. i actually just had a little cry about this. Women are not allowed to say that biological sex is real in 2024? I don't know where we go from here but the Labour Party can absolutely fuck off.

EasternStandard · 14/01/2024 12:00

Floisme · 14/01/2024 11:57

And yet there is a group who are trying to work on the inside to influence the party, and Starmer won't even meet with them in public. That tells me a lot.

It seems the blame is on those who are trying rather than those who won’t meet

Same old

Floisme · 14/01/2024 11:57

And yet there is a group who are trying to work on the inside to influence the party, and Starmer won't even meet with them in public. That tells me a lot.

EasternStandard · 14/01/2024 11:57

HPFA · 14/01/2024 11:54

This isn't about whether you personally agree with Labour or not.

It's about future influence on what is likely to be our next government.

Go ahead then.

I’ve lobbied where I can, and feel I’ve fulfilled what I can do. I won’t vote Labour so their future actions are not down to me.

Feel free to influence though. What are you doing?

HPFA · 14/01/2024 11:54

EasternStandard · 14/01/2024 09:43

This is all on Labour.

Not the actions of women who are fed up and or annoyed

Starmer has chosen the ‘no one is talking about it’ block head stance. That’s on him too.

Many have spoken up and fulfilled their part of doing what they could.

This isn't about whether you personally agree with Labour or not.

It's about future influence on what is likely to be our next government.

Floisme · 14/01/2024 10:55

Let's not forget that Starmer still won't be seen talking with the Labour Women's Declaration who have shown the patience of Griselda in their efforts to influence from the inside

oviedo · 14/01/2024 09:45

@Froodwithatowel
Agreed

EasternStandard · 14/01/2024 09:43

HPFA · 14/01/2024 09:36

Whilst I get that very few people will have detailed knowledge of the Labour complaints process it's frustrating to see people on Twitter who should know better reinforcing the narrative.

Under the independent process mandated by the EHRC Keir Starmer CAN'T just personally intervene in disciplinary cases. If he did then the independent people who oversee the complaints process would reverse any decision he made on the grounds that the original complaint hadn't been properly investigated.

I know the GC movement seems to have convinced itself that Labours consistent two year 15-20 poll is going to mysteriously evaporate in the next six months but wouldn't it be more sensible to assume it won't? And that we might have more influence over a future Labour government if we hadn't convinced the party that we were going to try and undermine it whatever it does?

This is all on Labour.

Not the actions of women who are fed up and or annoyed

Starmer has chosen the ‘no one is talking about it’ block head stance. That’s on him too.

Many have spoken up and fulfilled their part of doing what they could.

Froodwithatowel · 14/01/2024 09:41

Btw don't run away with the idea that I'm talking down Labour because I want another party to win. I don't. There isn't one of them I want in power. I'm a floating voter with middle left political beliefs reaching utter bloody despair,

Froodwithatowel · 14/01/2024 09:39

If it was possible to influence that appalling mess from the inside, the many, many patient Labour faithful women would have managed it while the party was in opposition. God knows they have tried. They haven't managed it. That parrot is dead and rotting, it is an ex parrot.

Starmer permitted a female MP to be openly bullied in the HoC by one of his MPs and did fuck all. Rosie Duffield has suffered for years. He does fuck all. This is not just one isolated incident, this is a link in a very long and very grotty chain of incidents over years.

HPFA · 14/01/2024 09:36

Whilst I get that very few people will have detailed knowledge of the Labour complaints process it's frustrating to see people on Twitter who should know better reinforcing the narrative.

Under the independent process mandated by the EHRC Keir Starmer CAN'T just personally intervene in disciplinary cases. If he did then the independent people who oversee the complaints process would reverse any decision he made on the grounds that the original complaint hadn't been properly investigated.

I know the GC movement seems to have convinced itself that Labours consistent two year 15-20 poll is going to mysteriously evaporate in the next six months but wouldn't it be more sensible to assume it won't? And that we might have more influence over a future Labour government if we hadn't convinced the party that we were going to try and undermine it whatever it does?

Froodwithatowel · 14/01/2024 09:08

I'm afraid I don't believe he has any splinters. He is perfectly ok with all this, he is fine with the bullying of women, the totalinarianism, the Orwellian dystopia, he's all for it. He enables this constantly. He's just got enough sense to not actively get involved in the doing of it himself, and thereby leave some illusion of reasonable doubt about how much of a misogynist so and so he is until he's in power and no one can stop him for five years.

I'd truly prefer Boris. At least he's honest with you that he's a total wanker without a grain of ethics or capacity, and has no fucks to give. By their deeds shall ye know them.

oviedo · 14/01/2024 09:03

God I hope that she wins as an independent candidate.
Where is Starmer ? Oh yes picking splinters out of his arse.