Labour candidate suspended for 'transphobia'

I shan't be voting based on the issue of bins, though

I think the Bins will feel very cancelled.

I cant find it now, but someone on facebook posted a photo of their bins at the New Year each with its own colour.

And on one they had added a notice that said "I am a non Binary bin and even though I am green today I am brown so please take my rubbish"

And obviously the refuse collecting team had had their inclusivity training and recognised it as being green for the day!

Because they were thwarted in getting Rosie kicked out on similar grounds. The raging over that was something to see.

I assumed that would be the case, it's not like there aren't plenty of Labour supporters who have it in for women like Tonia and Rosie.

But why wait until now. Her views were known as the time she was selected.

If you are a Labour Party supporter why put a spanner if the campaign at the last moment.

I had sort of assumed it was the Greens or someone hoping to stop a Labour victory.

Interesting new article. I shan't be voting based on the issue of bins, though

But also says that it has been confirmed the formal complaint was from a Labour Party member not some other party trying to undermine the Labour vote.

I assumed that would be the case, it's not like there aren't plenty of Labour supporters who have it in for women like Tonia and Rosie. Also lots of the Green men piling on her seem very invested in what Labour does, maybe ex members who defected in disgust at its "transphobia" as several have mentioned on the Labour Reddit page, so would likely still have friends in the party.

This is a new article about the Cazenove election, which not only talks about the complaint but gives some background to the ward as a whole, and other candidates (will the bins swing it!)

But also says that it has been confirmed the formal complaint was from a Labour Party member not some other party trying to undermine the Labour vote.

https://www.onlondon.co.uk/hackney-dimensions-of-the-cazenove-by-election/

And I’m so tired of being told what I can and cannot think.

Nobody is telling you what to think. This is a discussion forum and the point of being on it is to not only be able to put forward your point of view, but also listen to and try and understand others.

Which also means, as others have said, I might not like someone liking what I think is a poor analogy, but I certainly dont think she should be cancelled. It is her point of view.

After watching a few New Statesman podcasts I've come to think of them as a right wing group. Judge not lest ye be judged!

The Libdems used to be known as the bottom feeders of politics. Their leaflets were tailored to appeal to whatever demographic lived in a particular Borough. But the Greens seem to have adopted the same tactic. Saving the planet is a bit of a chore eh lads?
But then Labour have long since abandoned ' improving the material conditions of the working class'.

*New Statesman

Thing is, shouting about ’grossly offensive behaviour’ may well lead people to think grossly offensive behaviour has happened.

Rather than liking a tweet about a grifter.

Exactly, and I'm sure certain people are very happy for people to think that. As with Rosie Duffield, who also was targeted most recently because she liked a tweet Graham Linehan had posted. And JKR being called out yesterday in a ridiculous New Statement article because she liked a tweet "from a right wing group" which was apparently by Libs of TikTok.

I've read other threads and discourse on this here and elsewhere, I know some (not all) black women find it offensive so I don't personally use it because I don't want to offend them.

I also personally think it's a perfectly reasonable analogy logically. I think many people who use it simply just haven't considered it in that way, in the context of historical blackface. I do think when people make a big deal of this that there is an element of dismissing women's feelings about the sexism and misogyny of males role playing as women though. So it's more complicated.

Thing is, shouting about ’grossly offensive behaviour’ may well lead people to think grossly offensive behaviour has happened.

Rather than liking a tweet about a grifter.

It seems a lot of the activists who attacked her are Greens rather than Labour and indeed the Green Party in Hackney opportunistically took it upon themselves to publish a statement:

It has been publicly reported that the Labour Party has suspended Laura Pascal, its candidate for the Cazenove by-election, and ceased all campaigning for her. We call on the Labour Party to confirm whether this is the case, and if so the reasons for it.

We and others in the community had previously raised serious concerns about grossly offensive and prejudiced comments shared and ‘liked’ by Laura Pascal on Twitter/X. Calls for Hackney Labour to address these concerns, and to explain why Pascal was selected as a candidate in the first place, have been and continue to be met with silence.

Tamara Micner, Green Party candidate for Cazenove, said: “I stand wholeheartedly with all communities in Hackney, whose diversity is our borough’s great strength. My aim in this by-election campaign has always been to bring the people of Cazenove together and help heal divisions.

“If elected as your Green councillor on Thursday 18th, I will stand up for all Cazenove residents and add to the fantastic work that Hackney Green councillors are already doing to hold the Labour administration to account and make Hackney a safe community for everyone”.
x.com/hackneygreens/status/1746276407943082278?s=46&t=SPorwN-mokktL467rcZ57g

I still think it’s a good analogy 🤷‍♀️

And I’m so tired of being told what I can and cannot think.

Me too, Edith. Me too.

🥺

I too decided not to use that specific argument any more after reading that thread. I also still support Laura Pascal based on what I know.

Where are these ‘Labourites’ coming from?? When I was a kid my dad was involved in local party (policies etc) and it was normal WC people and the local ‘professionals’ who had a social conscience. Now it seems to be blue haired ninnies.

People literally went around that neighbourhood posting up printouts of the tweet she didn't write, but liked.

I don't think policing people's likes on Twitter is how we really want to go. I'm sure many male Labour councillors have liked posts which could show them in a much worse light, on this issue and many others, such as Israel/Palestine. It's just an example of a woman being held to a much higher standard because she has the unacceptable belief that men can't be women.

@IwantToRetire you can opt out of performing those acts- you can’t opt out being caricatured by them. So all women are portrayed as overly sexual, pampered catty princesses by drag artists. It’s massively misogynistic, 2D, offensive claptrap.

For me that’s the parallel. But I’m reluctant to use it now having seen how offended some are by the comparison. I do doubt the integrity of the people making that argument, but am not in a position on an anonymous forum to check up!

all she did was like a post from someone else who compared a man in blackface with Dylan Mulvaney

I'm surprised. Given how carefully worded her pinned post is, that she would click on a comment like that.

Its a bad analogy and is little more than a cheap jibe.

And detracts from the real issue.

And if the prospective candidate for Cazenove did make statements about that I think it is a shame.

As I said, all she did was like a post from someone else who compared a man in blackface with Dylan Mulvaney.

I dont wont to derail this thread, but all I was trying to say is see parallels between men saying they can be women, and a white woman saying she is Black isn't about co-opting Black Women's struggles.

Its exactly the opposite. It is saying it is ludicrous. And the only link which is why it is sometimes used as a parallel is because in both instances the negative and discriminatory behaviour someone experiences because of their sex or because of their race is because of how people are not that project their sexism or racism onto you.

I think the real problem is those who use the example of drag or black face. This are inappropriate and in some ways demeaning of the actual experience of growing up with the experience of racism or sexism.

Drag and blackface are peformative, they are a choice made by people who are whatever they might say, are project a caricature. And you can opt out of being that performance. You can not opt out of actually being a biological female any more that you can opt out of being Black.

I think those who use drag as an example actual diminish the argument about a sex based reality because it is more a comment about trans women not passing. And if the prospective candidate for Cazenove did make statements about that I think it is a shame.

Women's sex based rights are based on our biological reality.

I admit that it’s hard for me to see things from the perspective of a group of people who are fed up of being the target of racism - it’s rare for me to be on the receiving end of racism - but I am utterly fed up of people looking for the worst possible interpretation of someone else’s comment. Pointing out that womanface is offensive, in something like the way that blackface is offensive, doesn’t imply that the person had any intention of insulting or belittling black people or their experiences.

And we see exactly the same kind of victimhood everywhere. I grew up in an era when blackface was only just beginning to be seen as a bit patronising. People had to cope with overt nastiness and weren’t protected from it. Trigger warnings hadn’t been invented. If a man complained about bullying, he was told not to be a crybaby. I’m glad that we’ve moved away from those behaviours, but I would just like people to look for the best possible interpretation of a tweet before retaliating.

Thing is intersectionalism when thought through is fine. But it's never ever implemented like that, only as hierarchies of oppression that mean some people are always right and others always wrong. In this case women are wrong and tw are always right.
The same applies to other extreme leftist / individualistic movements too. Its happened before. Its happening with other movements in the USA and in parts of the Middle East. Its a feature not a bug so it doesn't work.