Anti trans debate

@Beedleneedle what’s your view on professional (or amateur) sports women losing out to trans women? There are loads of examples in the press recently in swimming, pool, tennis, running, etc.

I can share an experience. It happened not long ago. I stayed overnight at a youth hostel and chose a women's dorm. I arrived in the evening and decided to take a shower so went into the women's bathrooms. It was at the back of the building and there was no one around. Each shower cubicle was tiny with only a few inches of space alongside the shower itself so its easier to strip outside in the communal area of the bathroom by the sinks. I took a shower, got out, started putting my clothes back on. Still no one around. It seemed completely deserted. Then someone came in. They were dressed in a stereotypically feminine way but they were 6 foot tall, huge, clearly male judging by their height and build. They smelled strongly of perfume. My whole body went into a fear mode, I froze. I'm a tiny 5'3ft petite woman, I weigh 7.5stone, and I did not expect to encounter a huge male person in this deserted women's bathroom. They can easily overpower me. I don't want to share a women's bathroom and a women's dorm with biological males because as a lone female traveller it makes me feel less safe.

Now I've had that experience I know that if I book a women's dorm it doesn't guarantee that only women will sleeping there.

Obviously there are now very few places that you can voice this fear without being told that you're a bigot for being scared because the person you encountered was a woman, just like you.

I recommend " Trans" by Helen Joyce.

I think you will learn a great deal and understand, if you read the threads you have noticed. There are some really well written, researched and explained posts on FWR.

OP you say this has had no effect in your daily life.
Are you a woman? Do you have any experience of sexism? Let's start there.

Oh and to add, and I can only talk about it in a confidential forum on MN as I could potentially face disciplinary action (I say possibly as I hope that recent court results will change that!!!!)

@Beedleneedle I work with vulnerable children and young people. This situation is real in my day to day job, where I see children being drawn into the trans narrative, and as a result the actual foundational problems they have (on the whole girls who have experienced child sexual abuse or rape as a young adult) is ignored and their desire to be their ‘true’ self is celebrated.

I work with parents who are genuinely afraid that as their child is ‘transitioning’ and they want to approach it with a ‘watch and wait’ that this will be seen as them abusing their child.

So yes it’s happening in day to day life, trust me.

From your posts, OP, it isn't obvious what you mean. I am trying to tease out the reasoning behind your posts. What you are actually asking.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me

This thread provides very useful information dating back some time. It might help you understand.

Many people do care deeply about things that are detremental to other people, especially to children or to women who have been raped, for example. Are you saying you only care if something affects you personally?

If you haven't seen it, it doesn't happen?

Are there any wars going on at the moment? Have you been there, getting shot at?

What about the snowstorms they've just had in Scandinavia? The volcano in Iceland? Have you got to be there to know it happened?

I haven't written this little thought experiment for a while. It's as much for other readers as for you, OP.

Imagine you come home to find a small group of disabled people has moved in while you were down the shops. "Hey," you say, "Who are you and what are you doing in my home?"

"Oh, we live here" they tell you, smiling. "It's a nice home, there's plenty of room!"

"But it's my home, not yours!" you protest.

"It's ours, too!" they say: "Nobody's saying you don't live here. We're the same as you, we live in this home."

They don't go. They help themselves to your food, stand and watch you in the bathroom, try on your clothes and watch your TV. You call the police.

The police tell you to be kind. These people are clearly vulnerable, they need a home and a nice life. You've got plenty to spare.

Everyone you know starts calling your unwanted guests by your name.

It becomes clear that they have, in fact, adopted every aspect of your life - and, weirdly, nobody seems bothered by it. When your friends invite you out, everybody takes it for granted that your disabled housemates are coming too.

You shove them out and lock the door on them. They mount a protest, calling the media to film them with their placards saying you hate disabled people and are denying them the right to a normal life.

You co-workers tell you they are disability allies and call you a disability hater.

Your friends tell you to be kind, and to educate yourself about disability needs. "What about my needs?" you ask.

"You're fine!" your friends assure you; "Your life's still exactly as it was, it's just that you don't want to share with people less able than yourself!"

You still don't want these people invading your life and passing themselves off as you. Are you a disability hater?

Beedleneedle · Today 05:08

I guess not, as all I have had is angry responses for asking a genuine question.

In have read all of the responses and re-read them; I see no anger. Could you copy one of the posts, which you think has an angry tone?

Do you not get out much OP? Read newspapers? Watch TV? Have anything to do with children or schools? Sports?

Hmm. I suspect goady/ faux naive post. But you ask where this is happening. Do you mean the indoctrination related to trans ideology?
Schools
Universities
BBC
Civil Service
Police
NHS
Guides
Scouts
Labour Party
Green Party
Lib Dems
SNP
There are more but those are a start.

Being pro women is not anti trans, HTH.